My allies are becoming a bigger problem than my enemies.

abca98·May 13, 2018·19 votes·9,685 views

Everytime someone has a lead they instantly feel like they have to throw it. I just played a game in which our adc got eight kills early and then did nothing but splitpush for the rest of the game, becoming a free bag of gold. The support (Leona) rushed Zz rot and Solari so her HP was minimal and couldn't tank or shield for shit. Sejuani was top EVERY TIME there was a dragon to fight for except for the last one, in which she jumped in 1vs4 when it was ALREADY dead. And Nautilus just fed their Zed. No matter how many times I pinged or I warned them they continued dying and getting caught. I tried to assist with ult ( I was GP) and keep my farm to stay relevant but it was hopeless. And of course nobody wanted to surrender. I honestly dunno wtf I'm supposed to in this situation.

33 Comments

PhearBunnyMay 13, 201811 votes

Welcome to the new LoL. The game where the bad players have more negative impact than the good players can possibly have positive impact.

ThilmerMay 13, 20188 votes

Having a bad teammate in your team rigth now is lethal.

Sometimes the enemy adc is 4-0 before reaching level 6. Insta lose the game.
Sometimes your jungler do 0 ganks while the enemy jungler do 4 ganks. Insta lose the game.
Someone in your team suddenly is 9-2, but then decides to start doing 1 vs 5 figthings and dying like an idiot. Insta lose the game.

Rigth now to have some agency over the game you have to play ADC, support or jungle, and hope the other four players in your team are not braindead.

IainG10May 13, 20181 votes

I have stopped listing as a support main because of that braindead point

MagicFlyingLlamaMay 13, 20184 votes

Riot knows, Riot says they are working on it for S9 - giving people back carry ability, tweaking shutdown/kill gold, ect.

ResolutionMay 13, 201811 votes

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Riot knows, Riot says they are working on it for S9 - giving people back carry ability, tweaking shutdown/kill gold, ect.

That's the issue - An entire season has broken matchmaking and the only solution is just wait to S9 hoping it gets fixed.

Sorry, but every season we get told wait till next season to adress current problems... and then that fix adds another issue that we get told will be fixed the following season...

Heos00May 13, 20187 votes

LUL riot when tries to fix something https://preview.ibb.co/j4KQwJ/image.png

MagicFlyingLlamaMay 13, 20182 votes

Matchmaking has been sporked since S7.

The MMR/ELO resets messed it up further.

Sun Wu RyuumokuMay 13, 20181 votes

actualy they address it next patch with the change on shut down.

Tuition FeeMay 13, 20183 votes

I ban Yasuo so that my team can't play him.

thefourtysnMay 13, 20182 votes

I know it's hard to climb with braindead teammates, but there are 3 types of teammates.

Decent players who know what they're doing
Actually braindead (bonobo) auto-pilot players who farm and push towards tower, they usually consist of dying often, and blaming almost the whole team
Highly strong Ego players who think they know everything, but they make micro-mistakes that cost the team What I would do usually is tell my teammates the issue with their lane and if they choose not to listen to me then it's fine. (Mob mentality) I'm the leader of my rank games, so I order people to do certain things, and I (text) my teammates what to do, and how to do something. If we're usually in a tough spot that's the case. When people see me make good calls (inferring u should make decent calls) people tend to follow you. -TR

LL 21 YamiMay 13, 20182 votes

Same, so mmr system is legit fked right now my mmr is kinda high but tnx to the system i get like low elo players and just get shit on by the enemy. I keep my cool but that just dosn't help, i don't get it like i play vs a fizz as zed it's hard enough since it's fizz and i go b and ping my bot or top go b or u will die but no matter how mutch i do it they don't listen and after he get's so feed he can 1 shoot all we have they blame me. I'm sick of this game man i got banned cuz of ppl like this that only feed and troll... Got banned for toxic behavior cuz i flamed my team for not listening to pings... And if u wonder what i'm talking about i'm used to playing vs plat dia or higher all depends how i preforme...

MalakMay 13, 20181 votes

Um..riot is addressing that in S8 not waiting for S9

Next patch they are giving shut down gold to one person instead of spreading it

Malix FarwinMay 13, 20182 votes

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Um..riot is addressing that in S8 not waiting for S9

Next patch they are giving shut down gold to one person instead of spreading it

People are hoping that fixes it but that alone will not do it.

DIV1D3May 13, 20181 votes

Use quick and neutral phrases when you want someone to be in a different position. Stuff like:

Sej play around bot for ocean drake Ocean Dragon: 0:43 Ocean Dragon: 0:43 Ocean Dragon: 0:42

and

group mid play around ashe

play around top-side and try to get a pick for baron Baron: 0:28 Baron: 0:28

take mid inhib and backoff we can take enemy jung after

abca98May 13, 20184 votes

I can write the bible or "go bot" in chat, they are not going to listen.

Snowman ArcMay 13, 20181 votes

Dude, it was a normal game. People were probably testing out champions and were messing around.

If anything, you didn't do well either. You had 19% kill participation with a global ulti and only 7.5 cs/min on a champion that farms on auto pilot after trinity force. You also had very little damage dealt to champions, which probably means you were contributing nothing for your team.

Look at your own flaws before accusing your team.

abca98May 13, 20181 votes

My contribution to the team was not participating in suicidal teamfights or ambushes from which we got no benefits. I couldn't get trinity and farm 24/7 because I had to rush item 3156 because botlane kept being ganked by Lux despite my 589 warning pings (that's why she ended 10/1/17). There's no difference if my team goes into a teamfight being 15 kills behind and die, or if we all go teamfight and die. Doesn't matter if my damage to champions stat grows, because we are giving them 1500 gold and potential free acces to objectives. If I don't participate in that suicide ritual at least I can clear waves and hopefully scale and carry, which in the end didn't happen.

Snowman ArcMay 13, 20181 votes

Wait, you were playing mid GP vs Lux? Then, for starters, that's your fault. GP mid is suicide. You put yourself in a situation where you had to rush MR to deal with the lane, therefore you were unable to farm up and you were useless the entire game. Again, it seems like you made to many mistakes.

A sidenote, just because you pinged your bot lane that Lux is roaming, doesn't mean you did your job and played well. How about you try to deny that Lux from roaming in the first place? Bot lane isn't mid's bitch to back off at the first potential ping. You couldn't control your laner, and they snowballed because of it. Your fault.

abca98May 13, 20181 votes

It's my fault they put themselves in a 3 vs 2 situations even though I warned them. Ok. Oh, and everytime she roamed I pushed the lane so she would lose it.

Snowman ArcMay 13, 20181 votes

So, after all that roaming she did, she still managed to outfarm you? In any case, I'm just giving you advice. I'm not gonna argue more, because I know most of the players on these boards will never listen to anything.

abca98May 13, 20181 votes

I got 260 minios. She got 256 minions. By the way, lux EXCELS at clearing waves. R can kill casters by itself.

Snowman ArcMay 13, 20182 votes

Lux actually has one of the poorest waveclears out of all mages, and if anything, she definitely has worse waveclear than you. If she roamed as much and you pushed so many waves into her tower, you should at least have 100+ cs difference.

Again, I don't wanna argue any more. Take my advice if you want, because it's good advice. You can ignore it if you want, as well.

Yara0May 14, 20181 votes

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I got 260 minios. She got 256 minions. By the way, lux EXCELS at clearing waves. R can kill casters by itself.

yah a champs R clearing the wave does not instantly = amazing wave clear otherwise people would play nunu so they could "push the lane all game"

Lux has one of the worst wave clears in the game because the second she Es the wave shes vulnerable.

Vlada CutMay 13, 20181 votes

They say you should keep friend close, an enemies even closer.... It's as though our allies turn out to be the antagonists we despise the most, I suppose. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

remakoroMay 13, 20181 votes

Its funny when you are playing and your team flames each other hard as seven fucking hells. And then you find out that enemy team were flaming each other even harder. To the point that one of them goes afk or ints. Its hilarious how both teams manage to get impression that they are the ones losing or have the worst monkeys possible on their team.

TTv KoddokMay 13, 20181 votes

-Shutdown gold is getting changed later on to only be given to people who participated in the shutdown; No more afk bot laners with 4 IQ getting a free 100 gold every now and then because your Zed mid suicides every 4 kills.

-A lot of items are having their power shifted so bot lane isn't the only lane to have impact mid-late, and specifically it's shifting more power to assassins and bruisers since IE won't just outright kill you in 2 autos (Or even one. Looking at you Vayne.)

-There was some talk about lowering the effectiveness of 'shield whores' ( Janna Lulu and even to a lesser extent Karma ) to help bring back tank initiator supports like Leona Alistar Braum and Nautilus / Malphite if you wanna be saucy about it.

-A whisper in the wind also talked about some power creep regarding unnecessary strength of certain component combinations making ~2900 gold worth more than ~4000 gold when the other person has a completed item. (This is mainly because of how some completed items synergize specifically with different stats.)

Snowballing will be made more effective/less effective based on individual player skill with the shutdown gold changes, meaning if you are truly better than the fed player and outplay them to shut them down solo, you get ALL of the gold for it bringing you a LOT closer to where they are rather than having to split the gold with a support who is building full AP on Janna without an Ardent or Redemption and a jungler who has been executed by gromp twice. If you play exceedingly well and the rest of your team is garbage, you won't have them ambiently stealing gold from you left and right as you shut down the enemy team, giving you more to work with to carry if you're truly in an ELO too low for your skill level.

So just hold on. Hold tight. Be patient for these changes. League's gonna feel like it did season 3-4 ranked-wise.

BanuvanMay 13, 20184 votes

After this many years I have zero faith that Riot will get it right. The same problems have plagued ranked for years with no change. Riot is too stubborn to realize that the very basis of how people are ranked is bad. Matchmaking at it's very base level is bad. The team focus in solo queue is bad. Riot is putting a bandaid on a bullet hole that's been bleeding internally because they refuse to fix the real problems and instead only focus on the superficial. Want to see how Riot makes changes? Look at dynamic queue.

no consentMay 13, 20181 votes

Remember in s6 when everyone complained that the fed assassin one shot the team and solo carried? And that resulted in the assassin rework and forced a tank meta? And then people complained about the tank meta? I think the problem here is that it's extremely hard to balance a game when half of the players want one thing, and the other half want another. Riot needs to have more active 'polling' and actually interact with the community to make a decision based on the results. Something like a census.

Brain Errör 404May 13, 20181 votes

Teamgame bro

Feed or FamineMay 13, 20181 votes

Did I read that right? Was your team comp sej/naut/leona/unnamed adc/gp? Good lord, what what even is that. Did I miss the new meta swing or something? Honestly, it's no wonder you lost

WifequakêMay 14, 20181 votes

I've come to notice that the junglers play a VERY large part to this problem nowadays. Everyone's been crying "better jungler wins" in most games and that's because it's unfortunately true. If your jungler can actually pull off decent ganks and is focusing on helping you get objectives for the team, ESPECIALLY first turret gold (Which honestly needs changed really badly), they essentially control the game, and it doesn't even matter what champion they're playing.

Perma CCMay 14, 20181 votes

Why exactly do you feel the need to tell every one about your one bad game. Stop focusing on other players and look at your own play. If you are preforming above your ello consistantly you will climb, if you arent then you belong where you are.