With a new champion coming out known as the river king, I hope that Riot takes a conservative stance in the damage and utility this new champion can provide. I rather have a garbage champion that gets buffed and becomes rewarding to play rather than a OP champion that gets nerfed.
RiotZenonTheStoic88 votesDon't worry. I'm on it.
Earl Eulrich30 votesis it save to assume that he will have less than 3 passives?
AmazingGoat39 votesNo! Why would you assume this? He'll have his passive, then the passive for his passive, then a passive for his w, then a passive for his r. Duh.
Chaotic Reks10 votes
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Ancestor0071 votesDoes he have a passive from his passive?
TehNACHO2 votesTechnically yes. Double Strike stacks on itself.
MacDthree11 votesyou forgot the passive that buffs the passive on his E when you attack something 3 times.
Crett3 votes[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iRRH7Aos,comment-id=00180000,timestamp=2015-06-19T00:18:48.523+0000)
is it save to assume that he will have less than 3 passives?
no no. i want 3 really undertuned passives but they infinitely scale
SantanaTheSlick 2 votesDude and he has to have some kind stun passive with a W movement speed boost
Crett5 votesDude and he has to have some kind stun passive with a W movement speed boost
stuns for 0.1% of his max health so 1 second per 1000 health
junglerboy165 votes5000 health fish stuns you and then swallows you whole...
As Taric would say "they can't say no when they're stunned."
FistOfSharkiesha5 votesHey guys I have a really good idea. What if instead of using mana and being forced to use abilities wisely... we replace the mana restriction with a free shield? I think that'd be a really great way to balance the game.
Nytemaric11 votesSo.. Mordekaiser?
ElJanitorFrank18 votesPlot twist: He'll just have 3 passives. No abilities.
Awoof7 votesRiver King = Wraith King?
Jeddy0175 votesI don't know what you're specifically "on" or what "it" specifically is,but I'll wish you good luck anyway.
Solidair35 votesAh, you're the designer then?
I shall expect a weak start, buffs to make him over-bearing and horrible, followed by some appropriate nerfs to finally bring him in line.
Don't let me down!
Wullf2 votesGods save our souls, HE is on it!!!
Ser Garland25 votesThere can be only one river king.
Kolinichu5 votesRiver Shen vs. River King hype!!!
Vistha Kai7 votesAnd then...
Nocturne out of effing nowhere!
Inphernal25 votesEveryone knows Riot does this to boost skin sales (tinfoil hat) Tencent is working them like a puppet (how long was frostblade Irelia 1350 rp? Why is pink taric still 750 now that Chroma packs are out and you can get THREE recolors for only 590?)
Neo Cyrus18 votesDon't forget that Pink Taric was 975 for an eternity with every lame excuse in the book being given why. Oh it's technically not a recolour, it has boot fluff and a part of the model's armor deleted. Wow deleting part of a model, adding a minor part, and then colouring it pink is such hard work. 975 skin for sure.
Virgin Ray5 votesHoly crap, where the hell did you get that icon?
Schlachsahne7622 votesI want a champion like 
Hard to play, hard to master and not insane damage and mobiöity.
Ancestor0075 votesMeanwhile, 
still can't have a cigar
JustMyBassCannon15 votesWhy not just hope the champion comes out balanced?
Oh, wait, the community can't think in the middle of extremities. My mistake.
ZileanUltJesusOP14 votesI'm sorry but riot has already done this recently
Old Man Teeto14 votesI'm gonna jokingly post what I think he'll have
AoE Damage Burst Invisibility Speed Boost Gap Closer AoE Knockup Huge team fight ultimate Combat based Sustain Poke Slow
Vistha Kai16 votesYou should specify he will have at least 2 knockups, 3 gap closers and 4 slows.
Meeks0113 votesInvisibility
There aren't that many champions with invisibility, though. The last one was 
, released in late 2012. We could use a few more, they bring diversity into the table and aren't overbearingly annoying.
Invisibility in the river would be badass as hell, and would make for a nice fourth passive.
Strawberrycocoa10 votesSo you ant another Bard, then?
Matezoide41 votesHaving another Bard is better than having another Ekko.
PoisonedPeace6 votesNot for rito wallets tho
Zenthon Prime9 votesI dunno. Bard is pretty frickin' hilarious, and that's one way to get people to buy him.
Meeks0117 votesIt just brings a smile to my face to see Bard do things. Like we'll catch him in our jungle and he'll be trying to run away with that swag walk of his.
OyddAWqJ5r11 votesActually yes. It's funny how overlooked he is now simply because he was released underpowered. Now he is arguably the best support in the game but people still don't know that because his initial underpowered release led to his unpopularity.
Penta Penguin10 votesHe was never under-powered... Really.
He's just not one of those yolo queue "dps carries" that every kid spamming mid and top want to play, and he actually requires a lot of situational awareness and team coordination, which is DEFINITELY not an interest of the yolo-queue kids
REleases like Ekko are hot flaming fireworks that go off, and for a week or more queueing up is a nightmare, then they sink into the pool of every other assassin. Champs like Bard and Braum don't see a lot of excitement but are fully appreciated by the right people, for a long time.
OyddAWqJ5r4 votesHe literally had half the numbers he has now when he was released. Idk wut ur smokin.
Penta Penguin1 votesYeah, but his kit doesn't need numbers... stun is a stun, slow is a slow, portal is a portal, stasis is stasis. Maybe his heal, but I don't remember it ever being bad
OyddAWqJ5r4 votesSo you're telling me that these buffs:
V5.8:
- Traveler's Call
- Ancient Chimes no longer spawn in the enemy team's jungle before the 5 minutes mark.
- NEW EFFECT: Ancient Chimes' experience increases by 1 per minute after the 5 minutes mark.
- Caretaker's Shrine
- Tooltip now displays the current amount of active shrines.
V5.7:
- Stats
- Base attack damage increased to 52 from 46.
- Base armor increased to 25 from 21.
- Traveler's Call
- Ancient Chimes: mana restoration changed to (12% max mana) from 15 (+ 8% of missing mana).
- Meeps: spawn time reduced to 10 / 9 / 8 / 7 / 6 seconds from 12 / 11 / 10 / 9 / 8
- Cosmic Binding
- Base magic damage increased to 80 / 125 / 170 / 215 / 260 from 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240.
- Ability power ratio increased to (+65% AP) from (+50% AP)
V5.6:
- Cosmic Binding
- Damage increased to 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 from 75 / 100 / 145 / 180 / 215.
- Cosmic Binding can no longer tether to unusual units such as Jarvan's Demacian Standard, Syndra's Dark Orbs, Jayce's Acceleration Gate, and Wards.
- Magical Journey
- Cooldown reduced to 20 / 19 / 18 / 17 / 16 seconds from 26 / 24 / 22 / 20 / 18 seconds.
- Clicking on a Magical Journey portal is now more forgiving.
- Allies that go on a Magical Journey will grant Bard an assist on their kills for a short time afterwards.
- Clones (such as those created by Shaco, Leblanc, Mordekaiser and Yorick) can now be commanded to take a Magical Journey.
- Tempered Fate
- Neutral Monsters will no longer have their health reset while under stasis.
Which lists an attack damage buff, armor buff, chime mana restoration xp and spawn time buffs, multiple Q damage buffs and ratio buff, E cooldown buff, E reliability buffs, and keeping ancient chimes from spawning in the enemy jungle before 5 mins did not affect him at all?
Whatever it is you're smoking. Let me have some.
straight4free5 votesHe was never under-powered... Really.
He's just not one of those yolo queue "dps carries" that every kid spamming mid and top want to play, and he actually requires a lot of situational awareness and team coordination, which is DEFINITELY not an interest of the yolo-queue kids
REleases like Ekko are hot flaming fireworks that go off, and for a week or more queueing up is a nightmare, then they sink into the pool of every other assassin. Champs like Bard and Braum don't see a lot of excitement but are fully appreciated by the right people, for a long time.
Braum was broken as all hell on release, really. Could solo the ADC easily.
The Y2J Problem6 votesCompletely agree. Look at how people view , he started out crap, now he's literally cheered for by the LCS crowds.
And then there's 
, no matter what you think of him, it's either you love him or hate him, and majority seems to favor the latter rather than the former.
But let's be real here, I just want a catfish champion who wears a top hat. That is the stuff of fucking legends.
Random Task2 votesBard, Teemo, and many other non ppopular Lcs champions are cheered for when someone hovers over them.
Meeks0112 votesHovers over 
silence
Carry4 votesI don't know what to predict about the new champion.
I do see the future of the boards though and I predict circlejerks about: -mobility creep -resourcelessness -knockups -too many passives
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With a new champion coming out known as the river king, I hope that Riot takes a conservative stance in the damage and utility this new champion can provide. I rather have a garbage champion that gets buffed and becomes rewarding to play rather than a OP champion that gets nerfed.
: what nerfs?!
IcyPepper14 votesEvery time Ekko gets nerfed, he goes back in time and undoes it.
It's the lore team.
They've made it so even Rito can't nerf him.
Sometimes, you gotta make a door.