as kog'maw, 24 min in my toplaner says that i do no damage

NodirjonSattarov··1 votes·902 views

2 inhib towers are down @ 24min and my toplaner says "wtf kog does no damage gg"

several issues:

  1. wasn't able to farm due to oppressive lane. (jhin, varus, malzahar, sona, caitlyn)
  2. can't scale (efficiently) if i'm having to farm AND go midlane to defend that tower
  3. i'm having to build defensive items vs lethality and magic penetration (something most ADCs don't have to). not to mention QSS which AD values have no interaction with 3/4 abilities and life steal doesn't apply to 80% of my damage since it's either on-hit or magic damage.
  4. ON-TOP OF ALL THAT: rageblade is hella expensive, wits end doesn't scale with anything but attack speed, runaans doesn't scale with anything but attack speed (and i guess additional on-hit items), bork doesn't scale with anything except attack speed and health (which in this meta no one really builds), IE ad has no interaction with kog'maw's non-existent ad ratios (besides 120bonus ad on his ult).

so the next time someone says "kog maw does no damage" @24 min when i have 2 1/2 items complete JUST BECAUSE a jhin/varus/mf do more damage @24 min with youmoos + EoN, i WILL intentionally D/C until there is a better understanding of kog'maw and his scaling issues

7 Comments

Rebonack1 votes

Basic issue with Kog at the moment is that he's a pretty scary mid-game damage threat due to his massive W base damage. However, since everyone is spamming the hell out of the over-tuned Lethality items, everyone is a pretty scary mid-game damage threat.

dominusx1 votes

if you pick kog atm you are Inting.

NodirjonSattarov2 votes

have you played kog'maw ever in your life? (besides his 2 week spotlight early last season)

dominusx1 votes

yes. In aram. If you pick it in 5v5 currently you are inting and you should be flamed. Kog maw takes litterally 3 games worth of time to scale currently.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

It's probably since the fact that you build a defensive item on him. I understand buying a tank item as your 4th or 5th item but not sooner then that. Also I find item 3078 a very strong item on him and it's what I'd build on him. I know that most people build item 3091 item 3085 item 3124 but I just feel it takes way to long to really get that and start scaling + you aren't really that strong in a fight until you get off a decent amount of auto attacks to stack your item 3124 item 3091. With the meta being "Who can abuse Lethality the hardest and snowball first wins" and you see Rengar Khazix Jayce in almost every game, if any of them look at you, you die and won't get off any of your damage. That is not to mention all the other strong lethality users that can kill you in 1-2 seconds, most of which from way longer range then your auto attack Jhin MissFortune.

While I don't play Kog'maw to much so yea maybe you'll say that I don't know what I'm talking about but I'd personally think something like item 3078 item 3153 item 3085 item 3139 item 3026 item 3009

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

triforce doesn't scale besides ad from sheen (no longer builds out of zeal so cant' scale with crit).

maybe instead of suggesting your "looks good on paper" cookie cutter build, try it out in several matches and then comment on how successful it is and how " item 3078 a very strong item on him and it's what I'd build on him."

also triforce is EXTREMELY expensive for an item that doesn't scale that well on kog'maw

Carrie Pigeon1 votes

At the moment there is to much risk with such little pay off as a Kog'Maw ADC as if you want early-mid damage simply play MF, Varus, Jhin etc and grab lethality and you will outdamage Kog'Maw. Along with it due to their armor penetration and Kog'Maws naturally squishy nature he doesn't fit in at all. His builds are quite expensive and at the moment don't help the current meta. Sure Wits End rush is great for AP heavy teams but this isn't to common unless you happen to find a ziggs bot lane who will shove you out of lane. BOTRK rush while decent for sustain is good for tanks but not much else. While it does supply sustain it's outclassed by other lifesteal items (which is why I occasionally go for a Hextech gunblade rush). Guinsoos it to expensive to be rushed and the lack of levels in W and other items doesn't make it as good.

In a game where bot lane is a deciding factor of who gets 4 man dove first it's not a good state for Kog'Maw as he will often be behind due to this and again even mid game won't have the same power other ADCs do. Along with it his lack of hard CC and movement means he's simply an easy pick. While Kog'Maw can shine it's a lot harder for him to do so and really not worth the effort. Since these lethality changes his winrate has dropped by 3% and while he does sit at a 51% winrate it's a lot easy to do what he does on practically anyone else except they will be a lot safer.

I'm not going to begin a rant about mid kog'maw.

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