If Your Jungler Takes Devourer

Highfather·May 13, 2015·92 votes·5,083 views

Don't last hit the drag unless absolutely necessary, don't steal Rift Scuttler away. Those things give stacks and those stacks add up.

54 Comments

Shield VillainMay 13, 201510 votes

Don't steal Rift Scuttler is a given, or your big creeps. But you should, realistically be Smiting dragon and getting that. There's never a time when smiting a dragon shouldn't be done, I've seen a lot of cocky junglers lose their Dragon before I swooped in an Talon and just ult raked on them so quickly the dragon took the damage as well.

djjomonMay 13, 201512 votes

Only time to not Smite a Drag is when everyone else is dead/no where near by, and you're going to Baron immediately after

Z StatisticMay 13, 20153 votes

where is your second charge of smite?

djjomonMay 13, 201516 votes

Probably extended in the teamfight that allowed us to secure Dragon

lDontLiftIcarryMay 13, 20152 votes

if you ever have 2 charges of smite up. You're a shit jungler Or died for a 60+ second timer.

No exceptions it should be using all the time.

That means 1 in teamfights and then MAYBE after 30-40 seconds you get another charge. The cooldown is 75 seconds.

Thats exstremely long for an ability that does less than half of any other summoner in terms of combat capability.

Sozan5May 13, 20154 votes

How is that long?

That's less than half of other summoner spells cooldown. 75 seconds vs 210-300 (unless you use clarivoyance or clarity, but one could argue that their effect is usually smaller than smite).

lDontLiftIcarryMay 13, 20152 votes

consdering the cooldown smite used to be on, Its long.

GundayMondayMay 13, 20153 votes

Ah young one, so angry. You will learn with time.

largefishMay 14, 20151 votes

Thats exstremely long for an ability that does less than half of any other summoner in terms of combat capability.

item 3715 intensifies

AelvrMay 13, 20156 votes

Indeed. You should be giving the jungler the scuttler anyway, the jungler gets 80 gp and laners only get 50 gp.

KrigjerMay 13, 20151 votes

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Indeed. You should be giving the jungler the scuttler anyway, the jungler gets 80 gp and laners only get 50 gp.

ImFlutterShyMay 13, 20154 votes

If your jungler takes devourer, please dont forget to report him for afk farming for the whole game and picking a shitty champion.

HighfatherMay 13, 20151 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1821971079/213255951?tab=overview Tell me more about shitty champs and AFK farming. If you take Devourer and you don't gank, you're an idiot because that's how you stack up the fastest. Notice the Yi that didn't gank for his team and fell behind. Got my lanes fed, barely died, whole team was scared of me.

hazerddexMay 13, 20151 votes

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http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1821971079/213255951?tab=overview Tell me more about shitty champs and AFK farming. If you take Devourer and you don't gank, you're an idiot because that's how you stack up the fastest. Notice the Yi that didn't gank for his team and fell behind. Got my lanes fed, barely died, whole team was scared of me.

dont meen you dont gank espcialy if you jungle is empty and you just stand around also you get stacks from kills and assists

AMYS GRAVEMay 13, 20154 votes

dragon > 1 devourer stack.

Don't flame your team for taking that.

HighfatherMay 13, 20151 votes

I specified unless necessary. If there's no enemies around, there's no need for me to smite or someone else to last hit it.

AMYS GRAVEMay 14, 20152 votes

In the corner case where all enemies are either dead or currently showing on the map then sure, but if there is even one enemy mia, don't risk it. Even still, one devourer stack isn't worth flaming your team over, contested dragon or not.

CarryMay 13, 20153 votes

How about just don't steal the rift scuttler?

It doesn't matter what enchant the jungler takes, +80 gold on jg is better than +50 gold on some other person. Really, a laner should not take any jungler creep that the jungler can efficiently take. If a jungler is going topside, and all his bot camps are up, you SHOULD take them as your team gets more gold that way. If a jungler is walking to his wraiths, you should NOT walk ahead of him and clear them. He gets more gold for them as well as an important vision buff.

By the same token, I will die of AIDS if I see one more jungler walk into a lane where a big wave is pushing and clear it while his entire jg is up. A laner can gather that gold efficiently WHILE you gather gold in jungle. If you take that, you're slowing down your jungle clear and wasting gold just to steal from your laner. He will in turn steal from your jungle to make up for lost creeps, and the situation will be laner taking jg creeps, jg taking lane creeps, which results in the same amount of gold being taken off the map, with less of it going to your team because of lost potential +bonus gold from jg killing jg creeps.

The EllimiistMay 13, 20153 votes

umm yah, no. If dragon is even contested in the slightest i'll be downing it. Same with scuttler if its for dragon/baron.

footfoeMay 13, 20152 votes

I dont think devourer is a good item.

HighfatherMay 13, 20151 votes

It's not generally good because it just means your jungle is staying in their jungle. All you have to do is gank and whether or not you get the kill you get 2 stacks.

PalPlaysMay 13, 20152 votes

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Don't last hit the drag unless absolutely necessary, don't steal Rift Scuttler away. Those things give stacks and those stacks add up.

Don't steal the CS of the Scuttler, EVER. That's 30 Gold down the drain, and 90 gold lost for the Jungler.

Jungle Lux GodMay 13, 20152 votes

There are bigger problems if I am playing on a team with a jungler with devourer than making sure he gets Dragon and Scuttler. As in why my jungler is getting devourer in the first place.

Jokes aside, as bad as devourer is, it is still super important to get those devourer stacks. Devourer basically tells your team that you are going to be the least useful member of your team for the next 10-20 minutes, and letting the jungler get Dragon and Scuttler will reduce that time that you are less useful by at least 10-30 seconds. And those seconds are huge.

Reynard the ƒoxMay 13, 20151 votes

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HighfatherMay 13, 20157 votes

I hate Trick, but love devourer on champs he also likes it on (which, again, I wouldn't know because I hate him, so I don't watch him, but people flame me all the time for it).

Reynard the ƒoxMay 13, 20151 votes

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HighfatherMay 13, 20158 votes

You know what, I see your C9 icon there, so I'm just not gonna reply, because I know you're still hurting over Hai.

Balderdash1000May 13, 20157 votes

I don't even know what that guy said, but oh the burn!

ThatAutofillSuppMay 13, 20152 votes

Judging on his reply below I'm going to assume its safe we dont know...could cost us a couple brain cells

Reynard the ƒoxMay 13, 20153 votes

im actually glad hes gone, he was dead weight the whole season

Aych PiiMay 13, 20158 votes

You've got to remember that he was their shotcaller, so while his mid lane play wasn't exceptional he was still an important part of the team.

Reynard the ƒoxMay 13, 20152 votes

You've got to remember that he was still dead weight and a liability.

Aych PiiMay 13, 20153 votes

You can't really make judgements on how important his shotcalling was until we see the new post-hai C9. Nonetheless, I do think having a better AP carry will do them well and I'm excited to see how they'll perform.

Hinro HonatoMay 13, 20151 votes

poohmandu was the shotcaller for skt t1k also if I remember correctly and while not quite as bad c9 was going the same way as them last season. He left and things started getting better.

ajwfMay 13, 20151 votes

poohmandu is actually a pretty good example considering that both left due to injuries preventing them from being as good as they could've been.

However, I kinda feel that piglet was more the issue when SKT split. Piglet's positioning hadn't been as great as it could've been.

The EllimiistMay 13, 20152 votes

How do people get injured playing LoL. Poor posture and carpal tunnel rofl?

ajwfMay 13, 20151 votes

from the wiki on poohmandu

[He] Has a chest injury due to being electrocuted at a young age and is the reason why he became a substitute for the OGN Spring 2014 season

Same with Hai. Hai's injuries were not caused directly from league... In fact, one of the many ways to increase chance to have collapsed lung is simply being tall and thin. I'm not sure that was the reason for his case, but it does signify increased risk.

HeadHonchkrowMay 14, 20152 votes

Riven Disease

EDIT: In reality, I actually don't know

RisurinMay 14, 20151 votes

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im actually glad hes gone, he was dead weight the whole season

You are clearly not a C9 fan.

Reynard the ƒoxMay 14, 20151 votes

-hai on the team

-c9 being good

pick one

RisurinMay 14, 20152 votes

and then you remember that Cloud9 with Hai made NA looks the best they ever had in international events (except latest IEM i guess lol) with his shotcalling that is praised across all region and is considered by many for being top 5 in the world. In fact, last time we saw Hai play previous any sort of injury, he went deathless in the playoff finals, and was key to their success until now. Also you have to his play style, he doesn't play to win the lane, he plays to win the game, which is so much more important. Even Bjergsen, right after his arrival in NA, commented on how much he improved by playing against Hai, in comparison to all the mid in EU.

Furthermore, most people would agree that Cloud9, with Hai as Captain, changed NA for the better by allowing it to finally be able to compete internationally, and forced the other teams to actually step up their game and play decent league of legends to even be able to compete in their own region. That's why when you say Strategic play in NA, people instantly think about C9.

Sure, his condition kinda forced him to retire earlier then he would like, but again its his call, and i believe that if he managed to make great shotcall up until now, this one should be no different.

But eh, i guess for you, his latest K/D is all that matter :^), such a nice fan!

Hinro HonatoMay 13, 20152 votes

But you did reply.

BlackSunNocturneMay 13, 20153 votes

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I hate Trick, but love devourer on champs he also likes it on (which, again, I wouldn't know because I hate him, so I don't watch him, but people flame me all the time for it).

Trick is a damn good jungler, and he's pretty funny. It's the people who try to copycat his gameplay style that are the issue.

But yeah, the stacks man. Those add up quickly with Drag and Scuttlecrab

SergeantSnugglezMay 13, 20152 votes

Uhhh Trick is NOT funny, far from it. He talks ghetto, acts thug and yells stupid crap. So I guess if you are 10 years old or like Transformers movie humor, then he's hilarious.

RisurinMay 14, 20151 votes

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I hate Trick, but love devourer on champs he also likes it on (which, again, I wouldn't know because I hate him, so I don't watch him, but people flame me all the time for it).

he actually hates devourer. The build up time for it to be good since nerf, made it rather unpopular. Trick is now all about cinderhulk, though it would be worth to mention since you dont obviously watch his stream. I think he is sometimes entertaining, but clearly has a style that cant appeal to everyone, and sometimes he can be rather, less fun then his usual.

Otherwise, i think since its nerf, it became rather unpopular, and only a handful of people still use it (some of them more because of habits/inability to adapt to new meta), made it so people expect it less.

Drunk RummateMay 13, 20151 votes

If jungler isn't last hitting drag then that's a problem only he can solve. Smite the damn thing, I shouldn't even have a chance to last hit it...

WhiteGuyWannaBeMay 14, 20151 votes

A mage can deal significantly more damage then smite with their burst if they are saving it, so while in general a jungler should be able to last hit drag, it is best for the bursters on the team to give him his best shot providing the enemy team isn't around.

Volt CruelerzMay 13, 20151 votes

Same rules apply with anyone that has stacks. I can't count the times junglers and ADCs have come to mid lane when I'm Veigar and taken CS that would have gone on my Q.