shaco is unhealthy to play against.

MunchCrunchLunch··4 votes·1,490 views

so is rengar. shaco is even more unhealthy than rengar. idc how viable he is but no matter what every shaco in every game dominates. idc if its a low elo noob thing but its too much. his ult and Q are way too unhealthy and abusive. rengar can't escape. he goes in. thats it. you can finish him off if you have team mates that can. however shacos seem to get the fuck away from every possible death and its EXTREMELy hard to kill him. really fucking unhealthy i am sick of playing against shacos and rengars. I played rengar myself. I haven't played him since way before 5.22. and I always managed to get 15+ kills even if am losing. shaco seems to be the same playstyle. stealth+ mobility is too OP right now. why don't we have an ITEM that directly counters that. we have QSS for debuffs. why don't we have some ITEM that reveals stealth around you. an active. or some bullshit like that?

hes the same thing as rengar. you shouldn't just be able to use an ability and there you go the enemy won't even see you coming. even rengar has that useless ! sign. nothing warns you from a shaco bush Q. or from wherever. like even zed has to visibly walk up to you and ult or whatever 100-0 you or even talon. which are both kinda unhealthy too especially talon. but shaco is just fraustrating to play against. i understand that stealth is a thing. and am okay with it. but provide some counter itemization to it. just like the way we get zhonyas. or qss for specific things. we don't have that for stealth.

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JusticePauldrons4 votes

The problem with Shaco is he has no counter to his disengage. Most assassins play similarly to what you stated with rengar, you go in. Delete someone and then try to contribute as much as you can before you die. Not shaco, he kills someone and stealth flashes out in a way you could not counter. The only real hope is to cc him to prevent that, now imagine if he has both his deceive and flash up. Yup he is gone and in 6 seconds he will be back to do it again

ZETQuidam1 votes

Unless Shaco walks up to you, he has 11 sec cd on his q after he exits stealth before he can use it again. I fail to understand how he gets into your team, assassinates someone and just disappear. It's not URF after all...

Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votes

Sorry, stopped at the second sentence. Shaco is more unhealthy than Rengar?

While Shaco might offer better early game ganking, at every stage of mid / lategame, Rengar will ult 1/3 of the way across the map and kill your ADC in a hundredth of a second. There's nothing healthy about that. You need extreme ward coverage to cover every angle that he could approach from or you simply don't have an ADC for the remainder of the game. At least you can ward against Shaco who only stealths for a couple seconds.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Sorry, stopped at the second sentence. Shaco is more unhealthy than Rengar?

While Shaco might offer better early game ganking, at every stage of mid / lategame, Rengar will ult 1/3 of the way across the map and kill your ADC in a hundredth of a second. There's nothing healthy about that. You need extreme ward coverage to cover every angle that he could approach from or you simply don't have an ADC for the remainder of the game. At least you can ward against Shaco who only stealths for a couple seconds.

but you can easily kill him after. the case is not the same for shaco. and there is counterplay for rengar (poppy) while there isn't for shaco.

maybe am taking it too personally. but shaco just makes me salty. while idk even though i think rengar is unhealthy am like. meh he will get fixed and people know hes broken. but shaco is just. the descrption of a cancer. i just dont wanna deal with him. like just stay away from me. am tryna play and have fun. you know when you play a game and your just not having fun at some point. that point is when i see a shaco at the loading screen on the enemy team.

Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votes

One champion having the ability to counter Rengar's jump isn't 'counterplay'. Especially when she's played less than half the time of Rengar. He's also exceedingly more durable than Shaco due to roar MR / Armor. Shaco requires premeditated attention to detail to pull off due to his innately squishy nature, clone baiting and foresight on Jack in The Boxes.

Takanuva1 votes

the biggest thing ive noticed about most assassins is either they have a great escape or are built half tanky to survive, like lee sin or reksai. what makes people think shaco as a"cancerous champ" imo is that hes not a "one hit" monster, but thats hes really hard to catch. practically all of his abilities can be used as an escape. even if shaco is caught in the middle of the team, you have to get past his boxes and clone to have at shaco's miniscule health bar. plus, a good shaco can plant boxes in the jungle to help cover his tracks, and by the time you've recovered, hes Q'ed away to do other shaco things. plus, shaco has a naturally high base movespeed. as a matter of fact, alot of common items seen in shaco's builds are item 3142 , item 3087 , item 3078 , and sometimes a item 3742 . this combined with mobi boots makes him a speedy clown. also, theres been some ap shaco talk being thrown around. the three core items being item 3100 , item 1402 , and item 3146 . this is more itemization then champ specific slipperyness, but these are common buys on him when built ad/ap. :D

HamerDrunk1 votes

if you just has a support that keeps a pink on him at all times rengar isn't that hard and after early mid game just don't go out on you're own when there is a rengar in enemy team and take some shit load of cc in the team

for shaco well he is really annoying but he isn't op or anything people just don't play safe any more if you're at the enemy turret and there is a rengar jungle or shaco well you might have had it comming

or if they have one off them and you think as a shquishy lets go solo push a lane well you had it coming to

TeemoXNidalee1 votes

Just group as 5, common Shaco builds are terrible on teamfights.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

You should probably learn to play against a champion before shit talking them.

Also, I will bet any amount of money if you play Shaco against me I will not only win the game, but I'll make sure you do absolutely horrible.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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You should probably learn to play against a champion before shit talking them.

Also, I will bet any amount of money if you play Shaco against me I will not only win the game, but I'll make sure you do absolutely horrible.

i dont really care about what you think

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