Assassins were popular until the Assassin rework but its mages fault?

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This. Not just their CC either. They still do pretty respectable amounts of damage. Why pick an assassin when you can just grab 3 tanks that can do the same thing (dive an ADC and kill it / lock it down) while having far more utility and survivability?

Look at Galio, for example. The perfect example of CC creep. What's worse is that a lot of these champs have knock-ups which isn't reducible by tenacity. There's nothing you can do but sit in them.

The thing is that as long as tanks are the only ones who can survive the incoming damage without being instantly blown up, they will always be necessary

This makes them seem overpowered, when in reality they are just the only ones who will not die to a fart in this game

Because 1 characters resources that can get out afterward vs 3 characters resources that have to commit and cant actually do that if any kind of front line is present.

Galio isn't a good example. He's not even a tank anymore. He builds straight AP 90% of the time outside of VERY rare games or when Mikyx trolls and picks him support. It's almost entirely RoA into more AP whether it be Zhonya's/Shureliya's or a lost chapter item. The only thing that makes Galio remotely tanky now is Aftershock at which point we might as well be calling anyone who takes Aftershock a tank. Galio plays more like a combo mage that has CC than an actual tank. Galio is hardly EVER going to actually frontline for you since he is destroyed by poke and would rather just sit back and ult whoever the enemy team engages on.

Thing is Tanks get 1 second knock ups roots etc in most cases while other classes with more damage that contribute to cc chain get more than 1 second knock ups roots etc and still get escape abilities while sitting at long range. Tanks are hardly tanky Penetration is every where they have no healing after fights except at the end of a 40 minute game if they decide to opt into an item. I do agree that tanks have too much knock ups but thats because riot has no one else to put cc on who will accept cut damage cause they have tons of cc. CC is originally a mage job tanks only draw agro from Pve games in Pvp games tanks deal damage and have Damage reduction Some have CC but that isnt their defining attribute But it is in this game. But then Ranged champion players will complain about the No skill tanks when tanks have to Risk getting in close range to do anything.

Braum has a strong slow, an AoE knockup, and an AoE slow field on top of blocking projectiles.

Don't forget the stun on his passive.

I remember when Crescendo was a teamfight defining ability. Now there're champion with multiple basic abilities far stronger than Sona's R. With Legend Tenacity, Sterak's Gage, and Mercury Treads it's often barely even worth casting.

I still feel like Crescendo is a strong ability. If you land it on multiple people in a teamfight then the fight is won if you can back it up with damage and more CC, although it is probably weaker than it used to be.

Things like Braum's passive or Ornn's Brittle auto are easy enough to play around on their own...but if you are unlucky enough to play against both on the same team? You literally can't move for ten seconds. All that 'counterplay' goes out the window when failing to dodge once means you fail every single other opportunity for counterplay.

This is actually a really good point. Riot talks a lot about making things "unreliable" but in the context of a teamfight or skirmish all it takes is one CC, especially a reliable CC like Ryze's root or Malz's ult and all that goes out the window.

Simple and I couldnt have said it better.. How come one stun or knoqk up or anything means instant death.. for an assassin.. because once we cant dodge one.. theres 2 more comin its like stun, fear, root, pull, grab, knoqkup, slow, taunt, another root, AOE Dmg. AoE effect, wall stun, misplace, knoqkup stun.. for champions that need to hit u.. its hard to get access after a certain level because tanks arent just in the way.. they lock ur plays in place

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nah fuqk that too much tank is too much tank.. Zac Sej Sion and Cho jus get tooooooo much health.. if it takes 5 people to kill them who can focus the adc they get sheilds taunts placements and extra actives frm items.. Assassins dont especially if they are AP.. Ap items still no actives wtf frfr.. yet adcs deal 700 dmg a shot and grt 4 actives cmon now.. thas not coo then when mages start beon a threat nerf all ap items and buff tanks and adcs again.. I dnt kno whos idea this is but he need a new job

They are also nowhere near as threatening as the ADC. If you kill the enemy ADC before the tanks, They can't do shit by themselves to win that fight. MAYBE cho cheeses one person with his ult. After that, he'll just die unless you fed him, just like every other tank. Tanks are tanky for a reason: To punish people who focus them first.

because it's what an assassin is supposed to do,they don't do anything else

if you are an isolated target out of positioning or you are overextending you MUST die for them,there shouldn't be a big room for "counterplay" in that case,the counterplay is either being a nice 1vs1 champion like a bruiser (with some defensive item),or grouping with your team,in THAT case they shouldn't be able to kill you so easily,and honestly i've never seen one of them jumping on 5 guys,oneshooting someone and running away unless they were fed like a pig or they had a perfect timing on their engage,except for rengar,but he's rengar not "all assassins" and "hybrid assassins" ( ...)

it's this mentality that ruined this class and gave all this power to ADCs,idk about you but i see many people playing squishy champions like ADCs or control mages trying to 1 vs 1 an assassin and complaining for getting deleted (ie. a vayne that Q in on a zed for autoattacking him gets oneshooted and then call him broken),as a mid main (i play and main both mages and assasins) i can tell that really a lot of people do that (even in elo like high plat) and it ends up that assassins must be nerfed because they have no counterplay and kill you too fast while you only had to give them the respect they deserve

not to mention assassins actually have windows where they can kill you and windows when they are vulnerable,sure if rengar ult and engage you you are going to die,but if you see him let's say farming top and you engage him,all he can do is flashing away and ulting for escaping (supposing he's not fed),ADCs have always their AA up (AAs have no CD) and you can't play aroud it (the only "counterplay" is being out of their AA range),supports as well only have to pint click with instant abilities for peeling their ADC and you can't play around that

with that i mean some assassins don't have all this counterplay ( ),but as long as their targets have literally 0 counterplay if not being more fed than them you can't expect anything else

you fullfilled 2 conditions ranged and point and click not 1 second.

Assassins have more mobility and do their damage within a shorter time frame in exchange for durability/sustained damage.

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is squishy Af, has a weak laning phase, weak in jungle, and easly managed if you know how to ward and team play. Unless you are an otp, they're no reason to pick Wukong

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You should play around peel in the first place as an assassin thats why they all have easy engages. You should wait out shield being used on any other target. But Because of adc power there is no reason to shield any other target adcs 3 shotting anyone is the real problem and those other problems are only problems because adcs 3 shot you and if it wasnt adc's 3 shotting you in just over 1 second it would be mages 1 shotting you in just under 1 second

I can't play around peel if I have 2 seconds worth of delays lmao.