Was Graves Nerfed Too Fast?

ofart·Dec 28, 2015·3 votes·426 views

I'm not talking about low-elo play where he snowballed easily but rather a more objective assessment. Pretty much no one was using him in Masters or Challenger and he wasn't that dominant. He needs so much to justify his incredibly slow "AS" and short range and I think people just weren't used to adapting to him. He should be treated more like a Darius rather than an Ashe. 50 damage removed from Q is a lot and his play-rate has decreased dramatically since that nerf.

BTW: I made this thread after watching some Challenger streams like IMAQTPIE where they talk about how he's in a pretty horrible spot vs competent players. He does say that his kit may be toxic in lower ELO though where people don't kite well etc.

2 Comments

JbelsDec 28, 20152 votes

Sorry, but having a giant AOE that literally half-healthed you on a BASIC ABILITY is not okay.

ofartDec 28, 20151 votes

Well, it's objectively a fact that Graves even pre-nerf was not strong at the highest levels. It clearly is OK if players are good. He isn't that hard to kite and most of his kit is predictable. Let's be real, people here even think Darius and Nasus are OP sometimes so most of the balance talk is mute.

Unless someone is Diamond, pretty much any balance opinions are meaningless and that's who I'd like to respond. I know it's harsh and I'll get downvoted for this but it's the truth and many things that people consider OP in Gold are even weak in higher ELOs. When I say our balance opinions are irrelevant unless Diamond+, I do include myself in that and accept I have no clue about real high level play. Watching LCS doesn't mean much as far as actual skill level and understanding.