I'd like to request a small buff that would benefit all supports

Linna Excel··67 votes·2,031 views

It's pretty simple, let item 2049 and the items it builds into give the person who has it a passive XP generation effect so that supports can reasonably get to max level around the time of the rest of the team. Make it simple like "you gain XP per second based on the difference between you and the average level of your nearby teammates."

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Irelia Bot30 votes

It should give 1 XP a second for every level advantage allies nearby have over you

You are level 9 next to a level 12 and 11 you get 12 - 9 =3 11 - 9 = 2 3 + 2 = 5

5 exp every second when near those 2 allies.

It will not allow you to quickly catch up to them when one or 2 levels behind one ally but when several levels behind with the team it will have a major impact.

Linna Excel6 votes

I'd be happy with those numbers.

Duke Anax13 votes

I like it, that way it's not artificially tied to the support (like putting it on gold items might do) but can be used by anyone who falls behind. But it can't be abused to get ahead.

50000000000000005 votes

And if you're behind you should play more like a support anyway. It'd be cool to see double sightstone teamcomp to avoid picks.

Warpes3 votes

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It should give 1 XP a second for every level advantage allies nearby have over you

You are level 9 next to a level 12 and 11 you get 12 - 9 =3 11 - 9 = 2 3 + 2 = 5

5 exp every second when near those 2 allies.

It will not allow you to quickly catch up to them when one or 2 levels behind one ally but when several levels behind with the team it will have a major impact.

best idea i've heard yet. and not easily abused by jungles

then again people like this dude bring up such a great point... (sarcasm)

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/PxRdJ6jQ-why-should-i-pay-gold-for-sightstone

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Why would you link that, I think that guy just gave me cancer.

D3M4L1S13 votes

+1

Being level 12 when the rest of the field is level 15+ brings so much hate. If you're going to criple us even further with these nessecity purchases why not let them help.

Ariel the Cruel9 votes

But if you do that, everyone who falls even slightly behind will . . . Buy . . .

On second thought. YES!

DunkinNoobs4 votes

I'm personally looking forward to facing a Brand support that's the same level as me even though I've been gaining Solo exp all game. Excellent idea OP.

BananaJannana3 votes

too abusable

anyone can build it if they fall behind in lane

Linna Excel3 votes

I wouldn't be so sure of that only because the item would still lack stats and most laners need gold as well as XP. So they'd be setting themselves back an item, they'd be taking up an item slot, and they'd be further behind a component item in GP.

warpenguin5552 votes

and set them selves back on getting to a power spike

Bots Whilst High9 votes

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too abusable

anyone can build it if they fall behind in lane

And just fall further behind in Lane because you built sight stone?

BananaJannana1 votes

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And just fall further behind in Lane because you built sight stone?

if you're 2 levels behind, you wouldn't be catching up any time soon ;) think first please

AMYS GRAVE5 votes

If you're 2 levels behind then maybe buying sightstone and doing some warding for your team is a good thing. It provides a fallback pattern which actually wouldn't be an abuse case, it would be a use case. Buying sightstone in lane would provide nothing because the passive proposed only applies when near allies. Even if you buy it in lane you're only getting the utility of wards until you are afforded the opportunity to group with your team.

Please explain where the abuse comes from?

Bots Whilst High2 votes

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if you're 2 levels behind, you wouldn't be catching up any time soon ;) think first please

What solo lane can spare the gold to build SS when already behind for no other reason than to sap xp from bot lane, which is a lower level than you, the jungler, which should be a lower level than you, or top which is probably also behind because your mid laner shit on you so hard that they could free roam. Much more efficient for solo laners to build defenses or roam because there won't BE anyone in their lane for them to utilize the passive. By the time they can utilize the passive in mid game they're already behind enough in gold that it won't matter anyways because they traded defenses or damage for a passive they couldn't use. ADCs don't even buy pinks so they sure as hell won't spent 800 on a sightstone when behind. Besides, if it has a nearby teammate stipulation one role could viable use the passive in Lane anyways, which are the ones already currently building it, supports. The only role other than support I can see abusing this are junglers, especially in higher tiers,but they would have to delay clear speeds and would fall behind in other ways because they wasted a back on a sight stone.

BananaJannana1 votes

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What solo lane can spare the gold to build SS when already behind for no other reason than to sap xp from bot lane, which is a lower level than you, the jungler, which should be a lower level than you, or top which is probably also behind because your mid laner shit on you so hard that they could free roam. Much more efficient for solo laners to build defenses or roam because there won't BE anyone in their lane for them to utilize the passive. By the time they can utilize the passive in mid game they're already behind enough in gold that it won't matter anyways because they traded defenses or damage for a passive they couldn't use. ADCs don't even buy pinks so they sure as hell won't spent 800 on a sightstone when behind. Besides, if it has a nearby teammate stipulation one role could viable use the passive in Lane anyways, which are the ones already currently building it, supports. The only role other than support I can see abusing this are junglers, especially in higher tiers,but they would have to delay clear speeds and would fall behind in other ways because they wasted a back on a sight stone.

Now I know why some diamond players make a fuss about elo on the boards. It's because saying "you're silver 2, I'm diamond 4, I understand the game better than you" is easier than typing a wall of text. Did you Enter button break?

Bots Whilst High1 votes

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Now I know why some diamond players make a fuss about elo on the boards. It's because saying "you're silver 2, I'm diamond 4, I understand the game better than you" is easier than typing a wall of text. Did you Enter button break?

Wrote it on my phone actually, the funny thing is though, is that diamonds resort to personal attacks when silvers show they have more game knowledge than them.

BananaJannana1 votes

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Wrote it on my phone actually, the funny thing is though, is that diamonds resort to personal attacks when silvers show they have more game knowledge than them.

the game knowledge that got you all the way up to silver :p

Bots Whilst High1 votes

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the game knowledge that got you all the way up to silver :p

Don't really have time to grind up. division 1 track athlete, accounting internship as well as college courses really only let me play in the summer. It doesn't take a genius to think logically.

BananaJannana1 votes

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Don't really have time to grind up. division 1 track athlete, accounting internship as well as college courses really only let me play in the summer. It doesn't take a genius to think logically.

You've played about 450 ranked games this season, I've played 125.

LOL

Dengeden3 votes

No. No. No. Supports. Do. Not. Need. EXP. That. Is. Why. They. Are. Played. As. Supports.

RisenDarkKnight2 votes

That is not true. Support don't' need gold, but XP is still very useful for pretty much every champion. It's true that many supports at high ELO sacrifice their XP for their teammates, but that's not because it's useless for them, it's because the vision they get allows their team to make plays/ or farm safely.

Many support scale really well with level (Sona for instance power spikes really hard at lvl 16), because they usually have utility in all their skills that scales up with level, while Damage dealers often only really care about the rank of their primary damage ability, and whatever skill they level up third is a one point wonder.

Support is chronically underplayed, and that results in much longer queue times for people who don't queue as fill or support. Helping reduce the XP deficit between support and the rest of the team would go a long way to making support a more fun role to play. It's really not fun when you die while warding because you are lvl 14 when the enemy Mid/Top is lvl 18 and you have so little HP that you are easily blown up.

Support already sacrifice their gold income, they don't need to sacrfice XP too.

Dengeden2 votes

Gold and EXP accomplish literally the same thing: They increase damage or make you more tanky.

Sona scales well with levels because she'd be a jack-of-all-trades otherwise.

Support has always been underplayed, not having gold and relying on your team to play around vision is not and will never be for everyone. There was an EXP increase before S6 and didn't do jack.

Aptest2 votes

This will disjoint organized play with soloQ in a big way, because in organized play lots of junglers build SS.

Linna Excel8 votes

Perhaps, but I think the benefit for 99.99999% of players outweighs the effects on LCS. If it does become a problem and becomes mandatory on junglers, riot could find a work around.

Aptest5 votes

I do not have a problem with sight-stone being a mandatory jungle item.

but i think most of the jungle population wants their combat stats.

"I do not want to be a second support".

Butterhero1 votes

why not have the passive be on item 3301 item 3303 item 3302 ? That way it can be used by supports and not be abused by junglers.

Granted, it could make those items even more overloaded, but it seems like it could be an option.

Linna Excel1 votes

I was thinking about suggesting that, but I was wondering if that'd make them too overloaded like you mentioned. I guess it could work because riot did that with the jungle items, but I'm not sure if it'd be right if they were analogs to one another.

Kingdom Corn1 votes

Well around my elo I am lvl 18 as jungle when everyone else is lvl 14... IF ANYTHING LANERS NEED THAT SIGHTSTONE.

ShaolinToilet1 votes

Remember for a little while where Frost's queens was abused by mid laners

Bardful1 votes

I use one of these on a jungler already

AirKingNeo2 votes

Yes but you need to be fair allies, plus it just equalizes out the levels.

Aptest1 votes

not sure if this is or is not a good thing, though. because if jungler can outright come out of jungle and 1v1 lane, maybe this is not a good thing?

Darkslayer852 votes

No.

Only give it this passive when you're near a higherleveled allied.

AMYS GRAVE3 votes

That's what the OP said.

Saianna2 votes

I'd like to request a small buff that would benefit all supports

I'm not trying to hurt your feelings but like 80% of so called "MAGE REWORK" was nothing more than revamping MAGE items into SUPPORT items and expecting ranked retards won't notice.

chubs12242 votes

Have it be Passive: Gain 5% bonus experience. Passive is disabled for 10 seconds after killing a minion or monster. Targons brace execute does not disable passive.

Bardful2 votes

Supports do not need these buffs. They are supposed to be weaker than everyone else. I would not like the meta to become hyper carry supports and brands, vel'kozs and luxs. I don't mean that this can't be an option just I prefer when I play support to be useful with utility and not the strength of others. Even tank supports should have this because it would make teams still want a tank top, jungler or whatever. If you are extremely under-leveled to everyone else it is from roaming while not being bard and even junglers don't get this advantage because if they neglect farm they become underleveled and have less gold. Now that I think of it, we could gain a new role called roamer where you take one of the eyes and then go lane to lane ganking. Especially bad on alistar. And ancient coin might need another buff.

La Barbotte1 votes

at least make assist and kills reload a ward in it each

Linna Excel2 votes

That's something I'd be happy with in theory, but in practice if you get a kill or assist, you are probably going to be basing soon anyways.

I'd be fine if riot added that though.

La Barbotte1 votes

correct, but many many times warding after a won teamfight is the safest time to do so so having recharges would be a great +

BoilTheOil1 votes

shit would be built on every jungler in the lcs rito doesnt approve

Linna Excel7 votes

There's actually a way around that if riot sees the change to having a problem. Make the bonus xp from the jungle item and the bonus xp from the sightstone upgrade to have a shared named passive so you can only benefit from one or the other.

TeCoolMage1 votes

When there are two passive with the same name, it takes the strongest part of each passive.

RFC gets increased ranged, and better single target damage, but keeps shiv lightning

Lich Bane gets AP damage but still lets IBG get a slow field.

I don't see how you can measure the strength of exp gains at different times when the amount varies so much

morris12 votes

Or just let the jungle one take over. If you're a jungler you may get sightstone but if you're a support you'll never get a jungle item.

HazyCloud71 votes

No thanks, supports shouldn't be hitting level 18 around the same time as solo laners.

RisenDarkKnight2 votes

Did you read the post? They only get XP when they are below the average level of their team. So they will never pass their solo laners with this item.

iTaLenTZ1 votes

Very nice idea

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