Rather than nerf cinderhulk

FireDrizzle·Sep 21, 2017·2 votes·639 views

Why not nerf the strongest tanks? Vs and you can not move and doesn't need to land E anymore. is still overpowered as well, certainly in lane, haven't played tank in the jungle in a while.

16 Comments

WoonStruckSep 21, 20173 votes

Dunno why anyone would downvote. Not all cinderhulk junglers are strong.

Sej, Mao, Zac, and Cho are just overbearing as fuck.

jwebb0113Sep 21, 20171 votes

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Dunno why anyone would downvote. Not all cinderhulk junglers are strong.

Sej, Mao, Zac, and Cho are just overbearing as fuck.

what other cinderhulk junglers are there currently in meta?

PhearBunnySep 21, 20171 votes

Cinder/BC Rhaast. Leona(Popular in Korea atleast) WW. J4. Olaf. Rammus.

None of which really deserve Cinderhulk nerfs. I mean the nerfs are hardly relevant, but these champs still don't deserve them.

jwebb0113Sep 21, 20171 votes

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Cinder/BC Rhaast. Leona(Popular in Korea atleast) WW. J4. Olaf. Rammus.

None of which really deserve Cinderhulk nerfs. I mean the nerfs are hardly relevant, but these champs still don't deserve them.

Rammus has a win rate 53.52% for Platinum+ so maybe? Warwick Jungle has a win rate 52.52% for Platinum+ hmm ya sure? J4 is good with either cinderhulk or warrior , Jarvan IV Jungle has a win rate 51.92% for Platinum+ olaf isnt a good champ right now

dont ever see leona jungle and kayn is one of the most picked/ban junglers while maintaining a 49.63% win rate having a 14.80% pick rate and a ban rate around 19%

and zac in solo queue is bad 47.30% win rate

sej is strong in general 53.62% win rate 11.81% pick rate 13.5% ban rate on average

cho 52.63% win rate but very low pick rate 3.4% but a high ban rate 25% on average

maokai in jungle has a 51.38% win rate 3.93% pick rate and a sub 7% ban rate, he is actually more popular top lane with a slightly higher win rate and pick rate... so that considered its really not cinderhulk that makes him viable.

and i would say the most balanced out of all of them would be maokai.

WoonStruckSep 21, 20171 votes

Amumu Elise DrMundo Hecarim LeeSin Nocturne Nautilus Malphite Ornn Nunu Poppy RekSai Skarner Sion Singed Trundle Udyr Volibear

And here's all of the champions that could be factors with cinderhulk, but aren't.

Does that mean cinderhulk is too strong, or that locket/vow/stoneplate are too strong?

jwebb0113Sep 21, 20171 votes

not all of those are cinderhulk junglers or junglers in general

elise ,lee, noc, wouldnt take cinderhulk... there are better options

amumu is still a fine pick ... but subjected to the same ole shit as always he is blue dependent and invading and taking his blue wrecks him

mundo isnt a great jungler and never have been... he has no way to engage or cc the target to gank other then running at them.

naut hasnt been jungle in so long , lol really ...

ornn is just over all bad

malphite isnt a good champ

hec is better damage then tank same for vi

poppy isnt great in jungle ...

nunu is still ok but very binary dont offer alot , not cinderhulk issue... champ outdated issue

reksai rework is what did her in... before she was on the most picked junglers in pro play

sion better top lane then jungle

skraner is always hit n miss the nerfs didnt change this

singed ISNT A JUNGLER

trundle better with damage then tank... he gets tank with ult on teams tank, he is the anti tank

udry is bad... volibear is bad

WoonStruckSep 21, 20171 votes

Elise, lee, and nocturne have taken cinderhulk, or its equivalent, in the past to huge success.

Amumu is weaker than he's ever been in previous seasons.

Mundo HAS been a great jungler. He does the same things as Shyvanna, essentially, but with a better buildpath to success. Go take a look at season 3 and earlier.

Naut, if cinderhulk were truly overpowered, would be fine for jungling, especially since his ult buff. He isn't. Champions that don't find a home in lane usually find one in the jungle. Especially ones loaded with CC and AoE like naut.

Hec generally goes cinderhulk...lol Just after TF.

Vi has built cinderhulk, or its equivalent, several times in the past to huge success.

Nunu is fine. He's usually got a high winrate, most player just don't know how to use him properly. However, whenever cinderhulk or tank items in general were overtuned, Nunu always saw a rise in use.

Rek'Sai is still a fine jungler...lol

Skarner always has a consistently high winrate. He uses cinderhulk at the moment.

Trundle normally goes pretty much full tank with titanic...lol

Even removing the non-meta options like Poppy, Malph, Ornn, Sion, Singed, who all saw jungle play for brief periods, you still have the rest outside of Udyr and Volibear completely wrong...

jwebb0113Sep 21, 20171 votes

LMAO

go look at prior to season 3

ok im done ... what happen 5 years go does not equate to today and now

LMAO

later

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

WoonStruckSep 21, 20171 votes

Mundo, jungle tank options, and spirit visage have all been significantly buffed since then.

Thinking Mundo isn't able to jungle is pretty silly.

Especially when he has a significantly higher winrate in the jungle than top, and goes there about 1/3 of the time.

jwebb0113Sep 21, 20171 votes

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Mundo, jungle tank options, and spirit visage have all been significantly buffed since then.

Thinking Mundo isn't able to jungle is pretty silly.

Especially when he has a significantly higher winrate in the jungle than top, and goes there about 1/3 of the time.

Dr. Mundo Jungle has a win rate 51.54% for Platinum+ players his play rate in jungle is 0.97% with less then 0.5% ban rate

Dr Mundo TOP has a win rate 48.15% for Platinum+ his play rate is 1.82% top with a less then a 0.5% ban rate

yes his win rate is higher in jungle... but has less then 1% play rate in jungle

mundo isnt a good champ regardless of cinderhulk ... it goes back to him having ZERO ENGAGE and NO CC

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/DrMundo/Top/

this taken into account THIS PATCH world wide for plat and higher

WoonStruckSep 21, 20171 votes

Notice how jungle playrate gets higher the higher in MMR you go...

Skarner having a 1% playrate doesn't mean he's not a good champ. It means he has little appeal to the general playerbase, whether its strength or design. Considering winrate, the issue obviously is not strength.

Your interpretation of statistics is incredibly flawed.

jwebb0113Sep 21, 20171 votes

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Notice how jungle playrate gets higher the higher in MMR you go...

Skarner having a 1% playrate doesn't mean he's not a good champ. It means he has little appeal to the general playerbase, whether its strength or design. Considering winrate, the issue obviously is not strength.

Your interpretation of statistics is incredibly flawed.

if he was more viable in higher elo and a strong and or meta jungler like a sej, wouldnt he be banned, picked and played more? but he dont.

WoonStruckSep 21, 20171 votes

Its not that he's more viable in higher elo, its that he's recognized as a jungler more at higher MMRs.

Where's your reading comprehension?

jwebb0113Sep 21, 20171 votes

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Its not that he's more viable in higher elo, its that he's recognized as a jungler more at higher MMRs.

Where's your reading comprehension?

if he is picked more often in top lane then how is he more recognized as a jungler ?

WoonStruckSep 21, 20173 votes

"Cinderhulk junglers in the meta" doesn't show that cinderhulk is too strong, especially if the list isn't any longer.

It shows that those specific junglers are too strong.

Hmm...its almost like all of these champions were reworked and are now overloaded as fuck...

Hmm....

Hmmm............

jwebb0113Sep 21, 20171 votes

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"Cinderhulk junglers in the meta" doesn't show that cinderhulk is too strong, especially if the list isn't any longer.

It shows that those specific junglers are too strong.

Hmm...its almost like all of these champions were reworked and are now overloaded as fuck...

Hmm....

Hmmm............

yet j4, ww, rammus are all strong junglers with it...

sej is strong and its not cuz of cinderhulk, i stated that already,

zac is bad ... look at the win rate 47%

cho isnt good or bad cuz of cinderhulk... it was the stupid scaling he has on his ult with hp giving more true damage he can go ap in jungle and get HP from stacks and go full tank from there and be just as big as a threat .. and majority of cho issue is the gargoyle stone plate interaction with his ult scaling.

and maokai is more popular and a higher win rate top lane then jungle... and he is the most balanced of them all... but his win rate isnt over baring in either role.