Don't buff Ezreal.

FireDrizzle··84 votes·3,586 views

Buffitem 3004 then see where that leaves him. The item takes forever to stack. No one builds it except Ezreal, Crit and Lethality have been buffed and it has left this in the dust. If Ez is buffed again than this item can't be made decent without breaking Ezreal.

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Its All Skillzz33 votes

just stop buffing his Q and work on his other spells in his kit, Seriously as AD he has no W unless you wanna waste a bunch of mana to do no damage at all. and his E could really use a targeting update, as much as i play ez mid the ammount of times i E over minion waves into champions to get a kill or tower dived with my E that would got a kill but my E hit the fucking raptor camp over the wall instead of the laning champion an i was left without an escape and the damage to land the kill, like seriously give it ahri W treatment where it will always target champions over minions/monsters when a champion is nearby. Also make his W do damage to minions even if it does reduced damage to them to maybe give him some kind of wave clear an pushing ability. Stop adding Ad ratio to his Q which doesnt need any buffs at all and look at the rest of his kit, prob some of his nerfs to like the 50% increase cd on his freaking ult that hurt his ability to push or wave clear even more.

It Hertz When IP3 votes

His W's still a good team buff. Self-buff too, if you combo it with E.

Vellich0r4 votes

You can only W-E around objectives: it's suicide to do it when fighting except for very very very very rare circumstances.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

In that case, just make the tweak that W automatically applies the effect to Ezreal on cast, but only generates passive stacks for hitting others.

Skins Project5 votes

W stacks passive if landed, along with being a attackspeed buff on himself if he w-e

EROTIC RAID BOSS5 votes

its not totally useless but its an extremely unsatisfying spell. I think this one spell needs a total rework. it should be both more necessary for combat and easier to hit (since I think the burden of hitting q already makes ezreal a hard champ to perform well with)

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

His Q is already ridiculously strong. Just had a game against ez, one Q=750 dmg to a 120 armor target. And they keep buffing and buffing it when it's not actually the problem of ez. I don't think you can fix ezreal as long as crit adcs deal twice the dmg he does with one Rightclick on a lower cooldown than his Q. Also making his Q crit with trinity proccs? No thank you.

Sire Hippington21 votes

Don't buff it, rework it, there's a reason he's it's only user...

Arakadia12 votes

Even Jayce realized its bad.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

Touche.

Rins Thigh Socks3 votes

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Even Jayce realized its bad.

Well Jayce just had high mana costs so he went for it to actually cast.

A combination of people getting better at him as well as reduction to his mana costs and he said adios to the one item holding him back from an actual mid-game powerspike.

Aria Storm1 votes

It's important to note that when jayce was released, this item was much stronger. They nerfed it because too many people bought it. It indirectly nerfed jayce (at the time) and he fell out of top lane for a while. But then, again, like you said, people started to figure him out and they nerfed his mana costs.

Aria Storm16 votes

If an item is only viable on one champion, than that item either needs to be overhauled or removed. Lots of champions used to build it, such as Jayce and a couple others. Ezreal could use some buffs, though. He's in a bad place with the current meta of burstier ADCs that do more damage early (and late) than he does, and simply clear minions better and faster. Right now Ez is just kind of average. This middle of the road champion while not bad just... isn't good right now. AP Ez feels more rewarding, more of his abilities actually do damage.

My Heartshaker2 votes

He's sitting at a 45-47% winrate even after those Q buffs.

Aria Storm1 votes

Possibly in part due to his lower play rate atm, resulting in mostly his mains that know him well to play him and preform well with. He just can't compete with the attack speed stacking critical adcs as well atm. They do more with one auto than he does with his kit, but he doesn't have a typical adc build, nor does he benefit from one.

Ezreal was so strong for so long, this is the first season in a long time where he has been side - lined.

AirKingNeo7 votes

Ezreal is a jungler now. He doesn't build Manamune.

EDIT: Not joking btw

HaIlMonitor6 votes

They could just delete the item and not make him have to build around it...

KoKoboto6 votes

There are a lot of reasons why item 3042 sucks in comparison to item 3048 .

  1. Stacks WAY slower, you would think that stacking on auto attacks would help it stack faster but nope.
  2. Horrible base stats. 25AP for a completed item in comparison to 80AP, 45 ad when you finish stacking
  3. Refunds less mana
  4. Grants less AD per mana
  5. Is the only mana + AD item so can't stack it effectively with anything else

It sucks because Riot will probably just delete the item when it's actually pretty cool.

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

If Manamune had 10 more Attack Damage it would have the same value base stats as Archangel's Staff. It actually grants more gold per 100 Mana (70 vs. 65.25) than Archangel's Staff, but since Mages have on average a higher Mana pool and since there is more AP synergy available Archangel's Staff provides more overall gold. These things maybe should be expected considering their costs.

The only other Mana + AD item is Trinity Force.

I'm just clarifying.

PokladnicaZla4 votes

Might be better to look at his W for changes.

Jerry SeinfeId3 votes

yeah buff this cancer item so it's even more mandatory on ezreal. or you know just buff ezreal and allow him to build something else.

Calabok2 votes

don't buff EZ and don't buf his items.

xxxMadLionxxx2 votes

The item needs a rework and Meddler did agree that Ez is the only one who builds it. The problem is how long until will riot get to reworking the item.

SanKakU2 votes

Ezreal is fine, and I'm not sure if Manamune needs a buff, but it probably wouldn't hurt to give it one.

RainXBlade1 votes

He's currently the only guy that uses that item so it's justifiable that the item needs an overhaul or a buff. Maybe both.

SanKakU1 votes

Going to quote myself from other threads.

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Literally any champion that runs out of mana often can pick this up for some physical damage output and let them keep throwing out their spells to stay safe. Ezreal Anivia Lux Kayle KogMaw Nidalee Ryze Veigar Rakan Blitzcrank All of them can use it well. That's like 2 music groups worth of champions.

As you can see, there is a nice pool of champions for which Manamune is valuable. I even buy it on Varus sometimes and others have reported success by building it on Lucian. Even when it comes to boots, I rarely see myself always picking just one for the same champion. item 3047 item 3009 Both of those items are good for Tanks. So, why should mana items be any different? A small buff would be fine, but if you ever see some champions that have no business buying it and get away with it, you know you've gone too far. Soraka item 3147 OR Zed item 3004

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Ezreal is good with crits though, I mean his passive gives him a lot of AS and crits go well with AS. I think it works with Lifesteal although maybe that's just my imagination. And Lifesteal is enhanced through critical strikes...so I think a normal ADC build works pretty good on Ezreal. Just make sure it's an Essence Reaver build and I think you'll do alright. That item was like made especially for Ezreal and it works great on other champs too nowadays since they added critical strike synergy to it.

Ezreal is more than fine. I would choose one or the other. item 3004 item 3508 Not both. The guy I was responding to was trying to argue that Ezreal's Q needed to critical strike. I don't agree or disagree. I think if it did, they would have to nerf the Q a lot and then non-critical strike builds(like Manamune-including ones) would suffer from the change. There's no need to tie him to critical strike as a scaling stat and he already has great performance with it because of the presence of Fervor as a keystone. Once that keystone rotates out, he'll go back to buying Manamune a lot more often or so I presume. It can't be helped if ER is way too good on him right now. Runes reforged is almost here. Let's see what he looks like after the rune changes before demanding changes?

I Main Swain1 votes

i really dont want murumana to be an essential item on ezreal though. im not saying it couldnt be better, but if you ask me it needs reworked if they want it to be viable for more champions.

Danjeng1 votes

It could be a buff to the fabled DT Ryze too.

Yordle Xayah1 votes

They prefer to nerf/buff champions over touching items, or they'd target Crit items before nerfing Cait/Trist... which I'd prefer but then everyone gets mad :(

Ok sure but why1 votes

Buff both, and maybe when Ez is in the spotlight, Riot will finally give Ez more lines in his Pulsefire skin.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

its an item that they don't want to be super meta. but they like it on ezreal.

DaNinad1 votes

I tried a crit build with ezreal the other day. It was in norms but it was really fun. ER-PD-IE-BOTRK-GA-LD

I could actually damage tanks lol

Hyrum Graff1 votes

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I tried a crit build with ezreal the other day. It was in norms but it was really fun. ER-PD-IE-BOTRK-GA-LD

I could actually damage tanks lol

I've done ER, IE, TRI, greaves, LD, situational before. Only 40% crit but you still do pretty good dps with passive, poke like hell, no wasted cdr, and coming to lane with a bf instead of tear is so much more damage.

Dorans Pants1 votes

such an interesting concept. It´s sad that not more champs can utilize it.

Imperial Japan1 votes

Yeah honestly, if that was buffed, 1. A lot more champions will use it 2. Ezreal will get indirect buff

The Yetii Rider1 votes

First of all, they DID buff it. They bugfixed it last patch because apparently it wasn't refunding the proper amount of mana spent when it was transformed.

Secondly, if you make the item objectively better, then Jayce and others will start using it. This is pretty much the opposite of Riot's longstanding position on AD itemization, which is to simply make the champions less reliant on mana rather than buffing AD mana items themselves.

Ezreal is the last champion to rely on this item. I would much rather see Ezreal's W removed and replaced with an ability that skillfully combines with his other abilities to keep his mana sustained. Something like "Passive - On-hit effects restore 10 mana. This amount is multiplied by the number of stacks of Rising Spell Force Ezreal has". So if you continuously spellweave and auto, you're getting 50 mana back every hit (but to get those stacks you had to dip into your mana bar quite a bit).

And then obviously the W would have an active as well. Anything is better than Essence Flux. Essence Flux is goddamn AWFUL.

Its All Skillzz1 votes

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First of all, they DID buff it. They bugfixed it last patch because apparently it wasn't refunding the proper amount of mana spent when it was transformed.

Secondly, if you make the item objectively better, then Jayce and others will start using it. This is pretty much the opposite of Riot's longstanding position on AD itemization, which is to simply make the champions less reliant on mana rather than buffing AD mana items themselves.

Ezreal is the last champion to rely on this item. I would much rather see Ezreal's W removed and replaced with an ability that skillfully combines with his other abilities to keep his mana sustained. Something like "Passive - On-hit effects restore 10 mana. This amount is multiplied by the number of stacks of Rising Spell Force Ezreal has". So if you continuously spellweave and auto, you're getting 50 mana back every hit (but to get those stacks you had to dip into your mana bar quite a bit).

And then obviously the W would have an active as well. Anything is better than Essence Flux. Essence Flux is goddamn AWFUL.

Ess flux is ezreals most broken ability when playing ap lol.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Yeah, that's why Riot has stalled on fixing it for as long as they have. But it is literally just a non-ability on his AD side. If they want Ezreal to be taken seriously, they need to replace his W with something that's good for either his AD or both his AD and AP.

Honestly, AP Ezreal is just shit anyway. You already have a low CC marksmen on the team, you don't need a champion with literally 0 crowd control mid lane. That's just a huge detriment to your team.

RankOneUganda1 votes

nerf IE and zeal items.

LordGeovanni1 votes

as the one odd bronze guy who uses the item i would like that

Ahri Baka1 votes

how about buffing both ? Ezreal a bit is hard in early game and he needs a lot of focusing and mistakes from the enemy , even with the recent nerfes for Caitlyn , it still hard to beat her , or Draven ? Riot better buff him actually

Slythion1 votes

I just hate whenever Ezreal is meta, but that might just be me

AccountaBilabudy1 votes

Just nerf crit items and TADA, Ezreal is back to being meta.

LilxPaprika1 votes

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