Why is Evelyn losing her AD scalings?

Linna Excel·Aug 20, 2017·35 votes·3,339 views

I know it is pretty rare to go AD evelynn these days, but just having them wouldn't hurt.

edit: thanks to DrCyanide for the relevant screencap of the link

https://i.imgur.com/pPsnGFC.png

117 Comments

hhaavviikkAug 20, 201729 votes

riot hates build diversity that's why

HaIlMonitorAug 20, 20177 votes

riot hates trolls that's why *Fixed

UnboundHadesAug 20, 20173 votes

found a meta sheep

HaIlMonitorAug 20, 20172 votes

There is a difference between meta sheep, and playing champions proper and not losing my team the game.

UnboundHadesAug 20, 20172 votes

apparently me playing ap rakan mid and winning a majority of games is trolling and i should also be banned

HaIlMonitorAug 20, 20172 votes

You have only played 3 ranked games with it and it was months ago, cool. It might work sometimes, and I might even be impressed if you played like 200 games on him or something, but 3 could be luck.

UnboundHadesAug 20, 20172 votes

heres the thing i have over 150 ap rakan games in normals against diamond and higher i just dont bring it into ranked because of meta sheep like you that dodge instantly and flame me all game if i do get in(i was also the highest winrate and mastery score rakan at one point)

FütanariAug 21, 20171 votes

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heres the thing i have over 150 ap rakan games in normals against diamond and higher i just dont bring it into ranked because of meta sheep like you that dodge instantly and flame me all game if i do get in(i was also the highest winrate and mastery score rakan at one point)

"in normal"

so people not trying and don't care if they win or not.

Nice try though.

UnboundHadesAug 21, 20172 votes

i love when people use that excuse whenever someone does anything good or whenever they do anything bad "its just normals"

FütanariAug 21, 20171 votes

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i love when people use that excuse whenever someone does anything good or whenever they do anything bad "its just normals"

Because it's true.

Also nice "diamonds and above"

http://imgur.com/Po8TOum http://imgur.com/jvOeOXT http://imgur.com/uCth2Xq

And also nice ranking stats. Season 5 wood. Barley any season 6 games which were all awful. Now almost plat. Reported for boosting.

UnboundHadesAug 21, 20171 votes

In the morning I will explain everything because it takes a minute to type and this phone has autocorrect

FütanariAug 21, 20171 votes

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In the morning I will explain everything because it takes a minute to type and this phone has autocorrect

Waiting before I open a ticket

UnboundHadesAug 21, 20171 votes

my normal mmr is trash at the moment because i havent been playing seriously and have been with lower mmr friends and if i want it higher ill just play my mains to get it there,i played ranked right after i hit level 30 and of course went to bronze touched a few games in season 6 but not enough for placements then wanted gold for the border and skin so i decided to play ranked a few months ago going 7/3 in placements getting bronze 5 because of how placements take into account your previous rank then i just grinded for a month till gold 2 where i am now

UnboundHadesAug 21, 20171 votes

2 years ago i was bronze 5 and i was placed there this year but climbed to gold 2 in a little less than a month

CatastropAug 21, 20171 votes

Oh how is that BTW? Been meaning to try it out in normals but can't quite find the time for a game (and I cannot for the life of me settle on a build path).

UnboundHadesAug 21, 20171 votes

heres my build that i always go item 3152 item 3158 item 3115 item 3135 item 3089 item 3285 u max q first then w you dont take e till later unless you have an active jungler or u plan on roaming u can look at my runes and masterys for what i take its the azir page because im too lazy to rename it. the build gives u around 730 ap with elixer u get 45% cdr which gives your q a 3.3 sec cd which means it has no cd if u hit someone w has a 4.5 passive has a 9 sec cd and its a 800 health sheild(will continue later i just gotta go now ill message you when its updated)

CatastropAug 21, 20171 votes

I actually dabbled with something vaguely similar in the item builder. The major differences was I went a more standard utility mage route with GLP and Banshee's instead of Protobelt and Nashor's. GLP was mainly just because I like the item as it gives the eternity passive plus the active is great for team fights as an on demand source of minor peel. Banshee's was mostly to complement his W, since I figured that taking a free spell when I engaged would help out a lot. I wanted to take Protobelt tbh, but I honestly don't like that item very much. It always feels difficult to combo fluidly with it or I end missing like 3 of the bolts.

I figured the skill order was something along those lines, though is W first max worth it? The waveclear is decently good from what I can glean from the numbers, but I'd like to here your thoughts on the choice between the two.

UnboundHadesAug 21, 20171 votes

banshees isnt needed on rakan because u want to engage when their cc is down playing more like an assassin than a mage,nashors gives all stats that rakan can use the ap is obvious the attack speed helps with reseting his passive once u engage the cdr gets you 45% with the build and the on hit gives extra damage for your engage. glp might work i havent tried it myself but protobelt gives extra damage when fighting and alot of early kill power. ap rakan works best against burst mages but can work in most matchups besides ori,talon and cass if u need more info im here all day just ask

hhaavviikkAug 21, 20171 votes

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ah of course, ''if you don't play my way you're trolling'' typical

HaIlMonitorAug 21, 20171 votes

ah of course, ''if you don't play my way you're trolling'' typical

Its actually riots way or they nerf/change it. AP Yi/varus/Moakai, tank Fizz/shaco/yas, Or Solo lane Soraka. When people dont play the champ how riot wants it to be played they change it.

The problem with the way of thinking is there are 130+ champs, why should each one be able to build everything and do everything? It isnt skyrim or some other RPG. If riot wants every champion group to only be able to build specific items then so be it. Even if they lost players the game would become more competitive by doing so.

ShadòwAug 20, 201712 votes

Build diversity has nothing to do with making a champ viable on 2 completely different things.

Making a champion viable for AP and AD is shitty to balance and only causes issues.

SdarsAug 20, 20172 votes

Not really. The fact that they're so different means they're easy to balance.

Build diversity isn't just "do I build armor or MR?". Teemo is a good example, where some players go AP, but others go on-hit bruiser with frozen mallet. 2 completely different things that he can do because of build diversity.

In theory, if your champion is allowed to have that flexibility or not should be an intended strength or weakness. In reality, league of legends is not even close to being balanced well enough for them to start tackling that, especially with the current item system being so poor.

That being the case, I think it's cruel to remove the ad ratios. And yes, I agree. Riot hates build diversity, but I'll go further and say they hate diversity in general. They want to enforce their one true way of playing and kill everything else.

Over InnsmouthAug 21, 20174 votes

Teemo is a good example

Mate, Teemo isnt a good example of anything except how to piss off an entire lane.

CatastropAug 21, 20174 votes

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Mate, Teemo isnt a good example of anything except how to piss off everyone in the game.

FTFY

Pierce The VealAug 21, 20176 votes

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riot hates build diversity that's why

This.

Every champion that can build multiple ways has been directly on indirectly changed so that they no longer can.

AbiwonKenabiAug 20, 201714 votes

If you're going by that leak, then I just want to point out that is incredibly unreliable information. Unlike that one leak that finished with Star Guardian Ezreal and Syndra, nothing on that leak has been confirmed yet. I wouldn't complain about anything until at least one of those things are proven true.

Otherwise, this information is just out of nowhere. Don't trust leaks until you have proof. There was a false leak shortly after that real leak was out, so you never know when it might be fake.

DrCyanideAug 20, 20173 votes

There's also been two leaks so far, the one mentioning Evelyn coming second.

http://i.imgur.com/XX86GRS.jpg?noredirect http://i.imgur.com/pPsnGFC.png?noredirect

AbiwonKenabiAug 20, 20172 votes

Yeah, I saw both. They seem sketchy, you could say they both saw some of the same material, or one was just a copy cat of the other. The details about Azir's rework in particular are inconsistent on what we've just heard from Meddler on the subject. Same with the Swain transformation: Riot has outright stated transformation Champions are hard to balance, and they probably won't do a traditional one ever again. Gnar and Kayn are results of this philosophy. They also contradict new Champion descriptions somewhat. I wouldn't worry about the details until we start seeing some of it confirmed.

ModAcademy KaynAug 20, 20174 votes

Bottom one is fake, because they said that they plan to keep Eve's passive very much the same, or similar, the perma-stealthed character.

AmenPersonAug 21, 20174 votes

I would honestly say that the second one is 100% fake and just trying to make itself seem legit by using the first one as a way to form it being legit, as well as contradicting many things that RIOT themselves have stated before in Roadmaps and the boards.

The first one though, I'm honestly still split 50/50 on whether it is real or fake. It seems like it has the potential to be real and some of those feel like Riot would actually make them after the want from the community, but apart from that, I don't really know. Why I'm 50/50 on it.

Just wait to see though.

SukishooAug 21, 20171 votes

Both of those are totally fake.

DrCyanideAug 21, 20172 votes

I said the same thing about the leak with Star Guardian Ezreal and shotgun knees Urgot, yet here we are with every piece of that leak being true. We have to wait and see what happens.

SukishooAug 22, 20173 votes

PBE today with Championship Ashe proves those are totally fake since those leaks said Championship Twitch! lel.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J4Loe1LG9xw/WZx0Fl3utFI/AAAAAAAAsjo/klMkAet-nmoQ-DZk5LN3gKt0z6YXn3aGACLcBGAs/s1600/2194b97346ac4c18.jpg

VoidStaresBackAug 22, 20171 votes

The first of the leaks came out right after someone left the company, so there was reason to believe that it had actually been leaked by someone in the know on those things. The later ones don't have this level of credibility for them.

OleandervineAug 21, 20171 votes

I agree with this. A "dragonmistress" Evelynn skin seems like a distant stretch to her as a character, and Popstar Poppy seems completely out of place.

Bears Dont CareAug 21, 20171 votes

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I agree with this. A "dragonmistress" Evelynn skin seems like a distant stretch to her as a character, and Popstar Poppy seems completely out of place.

Sailor jinx? Zombie brand? Draven Draven? Gentleman Nasus.

Seriously a skin does not need to make sense lore wise. Its a friggin skin.

OleandervineAug 21, 20171 votes

These skins aren't stretches for these characters, and 2 of them are clearly for a joke.

Jinx actually fits the edgy, gun wielding, crazy anime trope very well. This wasn't too silly for her. If you don't believe, go watch an anime.

Zombie Brand, also, isn't a stretch. He's basically already a charred corpse.

Gentleman Nasus and Draven Draven are goofy - they're also April Fools skins. They're meant to be ridiculous.

"Dragonmistress" Evelynn and "Popstar" Poppy, however, won't be around any holiday, and they just derail hard from their base character.

Bears Dont CareAug 22, 20171 votes

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These skins aren't stretches for these characters, and 2 of them are clearly for a joke.

Really? Are we really going to go into a debate about whats appropriate for a skin?

Jinx actually fits the edgy, gun wielding, crazy anime trope very well. This wasn't too silly for her. If you don't believe, go watch an anime.

Um...there areplenty of anime which is horrifically serious in its appeal and design. By your logic, every skin is appropriate for any charactter. Which I agree.

Zombie Brand, also, isn't a stretch. He's basically already a charred corpse.

Zombies that are on fire tend to die.

Gentleman Nasus and Draven Draven are goofy - they're also April Fools skins. They're meant to be ridiculous.

Galaxy nasus...worldbreaker nasus... fire warwick...hyena warwick A skin does not need to match a theme to make sense. Plenty of champs have skins simly because they are cool.

Such as the futuristic Legendary kayle skin aetherwing.

"Dragonmistress" Evelynn and "Popstar" Poppy, however, won't be around any holiday, and they just derail hard from their base character.

SukishooAug 21, 20171 votes

Popstar sounds totally funny. Like is she gonna be wielding a giant Microphone instead of a hammer? lol.

invisiblecat1Aug 20, 20177 votes

Probably want the item 3146 Eve builds to no longer be so good

Linna ExcelAug 20, 20176 votes

The biggest problem with every item 3146 is the active on gunblade itself.

It's a shame I won't be able to pick up Eve and go warriors+titanic hydra+TF+2 tanks items+boots.

lolipopevelynnAug 20, 20177 votes

im just having fun with item 3147 and item 3146 while i can on eve mid.

Linna ExcelAug 20, 20172 votes

Good idea.

How is she mid lately?

Some Noob DudeAug 21, 20176 votes

Because Riot wants to make her an AP assassin, so that's what she is going to be. You'll have to build her like THEY want you to, because Riot wants to kill build diversity and enforce their terrible meta.

KanzlerAug 21, 20171 votes

Yeah, how dare they not design champions like xerath to be tanks, champs like wukong to be ap carries, or champs like sona to be adc!

You realize how foolish it is to complain about certain champions being designed for a specific role, yes?

TequilaZombieAug 21, 20172 votes

When you have a champion who's constantly in melee range to deal damage, has an AA reset that applies on-hit effects twice while giving AS, and a huge Resetable MS boost, you are talking about instant AD champion, no matter what their scalings are.

Just like back in Season 2 people were still trying to figure out a way to usa AD on Morde because steel clad demon warrior who uses bigass maces to beat people screams AD Bruiser, not AP Burst Mage.

Nobody looks at Xerath and thinks yeah, this is the Tank, or at Wu and thinks of a Mage. But you look at Shaco, for example, and have no way of guessing if he's AD or AP, and to remove any of those playstyles without a MAJOR rework would be an act of "Hey, we know better, play how WE want you to play".

Same thing if Riot decided that Nocturne should not try to assassinate anyone and should be built as an AS bruiser.

It's not about people trying off-meta picks or demanding stupid stuff to be viable (AP Yi/Trynd), it's about champions who have two viable playstyles but get robbed of one as soon as Riot's Balance Team gets bored.

KanzlerAug 21, 20171 votes

Perhaps that is why she is being reworked. Eve, despite her stealth theme, never really felt like an assassin.

I dont care if she is AP or AD so long as the update makes sense and she has more of an assassin feel.

TequilaZombieAug 21, 20171 votes

Have you ever played Full AP/AD Eve? She sure felt like an assassin to me whenever I played her full Glass Cannon.

She sure has no mobility, but has passive and W reset make her absolutely great for making picks on lonely squishies and getting the hell out before anyone can retaliate.

JorenciceAug 22, 20171 votes

He's a stealthy assassins with 2 giant ass daggers. Who throws a normal giant ass dagger.

The ONLY AP part of shaco is the little laser beams his traps shoot out.

Even his ukt could be explained away by moving so fast your leaving after images which is a martial skill not magic. They also explode into daggers.

They should honestly remove all of his AP ratios and just give his R and W AD ratios.

He's 100% AD

TequilaZombieAug 22, 20171 votes

Yeah, we all know of martial artists who can teletransport, go invisible, and summon a copy of themselves who's filled with daggers. Nothing magical about it, 100% skill.