Its a seriously ridiculous item rn on the PBE. For 900 gold you get 35 armor, GW, and the Thorns passive. Why buy tabis when you can buy this? It seems ridiculously broken and needs to not be as extremely gold efficient as it is now.
Sidenote: With this gold efficiency, ADCs WILL spam this item.
Rewt3 votesLol Wut..... thats fucking crazy XD
I think it could be upped to like 1200 for those stats
at 900 its a first back item
At 1200 its a first back if you are ahead or if its the biggest farm lane ever
AFilthyCaitMain2 votesEven then one component of the passive should get removed then re added once you finish the item. GW should not be given on a cheap item like this if its given the Thorns passive.
Rewt1 votesI think the thorns passive should stay unique to Thornmail. The Grievous Wounds is a good stat for dealing with Heal lanes like vlad and the like.
So They could Keep the price and remove thorns. Or Bump the price.
Big Lincoln2 votesbut that would nerf tanks and we can't do that
ecks doodle
Lauchmelder2 votesFinally an item that fucks over this idiotic sustain.
I want this item or the complete removal of lifesteal (spellvamp it)
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesBut its only 900 gold. thats ridiculous for how much you get from it.
Variks the Loyal1 votesADCs getting Tabis or Death's Dance is one thing. But they won't get this.
If they didn't get Randuin's, they won't get this.
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesThis is way cheaper than Tabis and way more effective. It reflects 20 magic damage PER auto and gives GW, along with all that armor. and this is for 900 gold.
Variks the Loyal1 votesAnd that's 900 gold taken away from a BF Sword, Zeal, Caufield's, or some other item.
It will make the ADC do 0 damage. Even if it makes them survive, it's damage is extremely negligible (It's nerfed compared to Thornmail on live) and will delay your damage purchases.
Tabis can be made room for because they're boots, and you're only giving up Berserkers. Death's Dance builds out of AD, so there's room there. But there is no room for an ADC to build Bramble Vest, and even less for them to upgrade it to Thornmail.
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesBut you will be unkillable in lane and can take way better all ins and trades. When lane is over they can sell it.
Variks the Loyal1 votesYou won't be unkillable, and if the enemy built offense, you'll be just as even in trades. The damage is so small that it won't matter a whole lot if the person wearing the vest isn't already tanky. Moreover, selling the Bramble Vest after laning phase will put you extremely behind in gold.
In order to get away with this, and come out actually ahead, that Bramble Vest will need to get you 3 kills or 900g, to make up for the fact that you delayed your actual offensive item purchases and will be down in gold.
Because Bramble Vest offers no offensive stats, it's a terrible bargain to think you can get kills with it as a class focused around building damage. Moreover, Grievous Wounds is useless during laning phase except maybe in niche cases VS a Soraka. But even then, the GW only lasts 1 second so they can disengage and heal up.
By this logic, ADCs should invest into Warden's Mail because it has 40 Armor and reduces the other ADC's attack speed by 15%, allowing you to attack faster than them and come ahead in trades.
Reaper Soraka1 votesI don't think you should compare this item to tabis.
Let's say the armor is equal even though it isn't. Bramble does NOT reduce basic attack damage by 12%. Bramble's Grievous Wounds will only apply to an attacker. Most important Bramble does not grant MOVEMENT SPEED.
How did you think these were even close to similar? This is why gameplay&balance is a joke.
AFilthyCaitMain1 votesTabis is purely defensive stats and MS. Bramble vest both has a bit better armor AND it reflects 20 damage. if you build both on an adc youre unkillable in lane.
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesGW's only way to be applied is by someone hitting you and last only 1 second. thus it's FAR less effective than executioner's calling.
Thorns is the only thing that makes it somewhat worthwhile, and even then it's auto attacks only.