Jungle monsters will 'hard' reset after 10 soft leashes ⇒ 5 soft leashes. Refer to the above context when we say "leashes" because it gets a little complicated.
Goodbye my Kennen, Jinx and Twitch JG. Is this another example of Riot offering more diversity?
Abyssphere6 votesThis is not Riot limiting diversity. This is Riot making sure that ranged champions have to take similar harass to melee ones in the jungle. Why on Earth should Riot purposefully make it so ranged champions ignore the camps? It makes no sense.
There are more healthy ways to make a champ work in the jungle than allowing it to abuse the AI of the camps to ignore their hits.
SexyTaylorSwift1 votesMaybe because they are much weaker?
Abyssphere2 votesMaybe because they are much weaker?
So what if random ranged characters are weaker than actual junglers? You don't see people complaining about how various melee champs can't jungle, nor about mages not being able to jungle.
redniwediS2 votesI don't know where you're looking, but there's been plenty of people complaining about certain melee champs not being able to jungle.
Abyssphere1 votesI don't know where you're looking, but there's been plenty of people complaining about certain melee champs not being able to jungle.
Complaining about junglers that happen to be melee (e.g Nautilus) is not what I'm talking about. That is fair enough - complaining about someone being unable to do what their strongest role is meant to be. But I've not seen anyone complain about Braum not being able to jungle, nor any other melee champ that isn't specifically a jungler.
redniwediS1 votesDarius and Garen were both mentioned in a somewhat recent thread, though i disagree that Darius is weak in the current jungle.
redniwediS4 votesIt does feel like Rito is enforcing meta roles, but it's hardly the end of ranged junglers. Personally I hard leash for them when I go top and actually tank the camp, since their early ganks are far more important than my early lane phase.
AORKDL261 votesthats why ur silver
redniwediS4 votesActually I'm silver 2 because I played 11 ranked games before the season ended, and none afterward. Think up a better insult next time, will you?
SexyTaylorSwift3 votesLOL, HE IS SILVER!!! I think Maximum Lebroken accidentally posted on his main.
SmokingPuffin4 votesRanged junglers are k.
Ranged junglers can't be taking vastly less damage than melee junglers though. Reduces the number of levers they have to control jungle balance.
Also, the soft leash mechanic is super hokey and has impact on laners poaching camps at level 1 too.
JevelFaithful4 votesSo a ranged jungler will now have to take hits? It's a bit sad, but fitting with the rest of the jungle's design. You're in the jungle, you take hits.
The Whamboozler3 votesBut... but.... I loved jungle Satan!
Kroda131 votesyou shouldn't jungle with those champs anyways
ofart1 votesThe problem is that these ranged JGs are only able to clear BECAUSE they aren't getting mauled by camps. I don't think they're viable anymore. I already ran into monsters resetting sometimes despite dozens of games practicing Kog'Maw JG (not that successfully sadly).
Ranged champs have much worse base stats and damages so they need to be able to kite mobs to survive the early clear.
ofart1 votesI'm actually g2 but ranks have no meaning in this discussion. That's a fallacious appeal to authority rather than offering logic.
I'm not aware of any ranged JG being considered too strong during preseason so I don't like this change. I've seen the occasional Lulu and Kayle JG tried in competitive but only one of those is ranged all the time and the results were pretty poor overall too (especially for Lulu). TF jungle was played too but again, it's statistically quite poor even in Diamond and it was never tried again by UoL or other teams outside of that one surprise game. There is no statistical evidence I'm aware of suggesting that ranged JGs were in any way OP.
redniwediS1 votesCan you use discussion view instead of chronological view? He was actually replying to me, but chronological view doesn't show it.
ofart1 votesI think even though they're weaker overall, they still have their niche uses and are fun to play. I see no reason to eliminate the option to have people play ranged jgs.
Toru Itai1 votesthey didn't make it so you can't play ranged jungle, they just got rid of the exploit people where useing so that their ranged champs didn't take damage in the jungle.
i enjoy playing kayle jungle btw.
ofart1 votesThat wasn't an exploit. It's as it says in the patch, it was 10 soft resets. It was that way for years. An exploit means abusing something that isn't known or intended. It was the only thing making ranged jgs viable (outside of Kayle... she will survive anyway).
WooBeeWoo1 votesIt actually was an exploit. There were places you could stand and the camps would start doing the soft resets and you literally couldn't get hit by them the AI was basically shitty and they fixed it so if you do that crap it doesn't work....
Poptart Evelynn1 votesNo, will just take more skill to re-agro a hard reset properly.
Captain Aishi1 votesi'll have to see how well my ashe holds up with that new chamge, early clear probably just got a whole lot harder :(
ofart1 votesYes, nothing about that is an exploit. It's intended and the way it worked for years. It will STILL work that way but it will just reset faster.