IF Vayne W does true damage then Thornmail should reflect True damage back to her FACE

taleofsonata··17 votes·2,858 views

True damage has literally no counter especially when its % hp based one and aswell as having a base true damage and procing every 3rd attack + additional Attack damage and crits. How the hell you want me to counter that.

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Punkkee6 votes

TRUE DAMAGE ISNT SUPPOSE TO HAVE A COUNTER IT'S TRUE DAMAGE TRUE DAMAGE TRUE DAMAGE

BioticBrony3 votes

Honestly true damage in league should have a way to be countered since it gets way to powerful, I once faced a cho'gath who did 1,000 true damage to me. How am I supposed to counter that if I can't build tank against him. Multiple characters have true damage in their kits and they do ridiculous amounts of damage. In smite we have one god that deals true damage and applies grievous wounds but does it over time allowing you to move away or use aegis/zhonyas.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Honestly true damage in league should have a way to be countered since it gets way to powerful, I once faced a cho'gath who did 1,000 true damage to me. How am I supposed to counter that if I can't build tank against him.

You don't get in melee-range? Cho'gath is immobile and his Knock-up/slow is delayed and telegraphed, so you and your team should be able to kite him out.

Lugg1 votes

Good luck with that if one of his teammates CCs you.

Cindikle6 votes

Most of those champion's true damage is stronger vs squishies.

Vayne's is countered by attack speed reduction as well. Or if your kit has a form of % damage reduction such as Gragas. While these are general counters. It still shows she has counters.

Not saying she's a champion in a good spot. Her kit has always been useless or OP depending on the meta. I personally think she should be reworked like Ashe and have her true damage dependent on her crit chance and then lose her ability to critically strike. This lowers her damage vs lower armor targets and keeps her a bit more as a tank buster.

BioticBrony2 votes

Yes I do know that vayne has counters but that wasn't my total overall point of it. My main point was that true damage can get pretty powerful.

Saianna2 votes

Counter for true damage is HP. There's no counters for % max hp true damage

What OP wants is counter to damage that true damage deals.. (difficult to put in words).

Drunk Zetsubou1 votes

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TRUE DAMAGE ISNT SUPPOSE TO HAVE A COUNTER IT'S TRUE DAMAGE TRUE DAMAGE TRUE DAMAGE

This guy has a point. It's true damage lol. Only thing you can do is build more HP or just CC/nuke the target. If the guy with true damage is pooping on you then someone probably fed that guy.

Marthian1 votes

True damage has a counter. It's called building HP.

Even with Vayne's %HP True damage passive, your HP (and armor) still protect you against the physical damage of her kit.

SoberToaster2 votes

vayne is cancer at her true damage is the reason. it needs to be phys dmg.

67chrome2 votes

True damage has literally no counter

Right, because champions like Leblanc that are super-easy to counter-build are the epitome of counter-play and super-fun to play against. Wombo-combo? item 3102 I thought not.


You can out-range Vayne, CC her to shut down her auto-attacks completely, outright kill her, use her single-target sustained focus against her by forcing large-scale fights, or utilize Vayne's incredibly telegraphed play-style against her. Most abilities can reach someone 550 range away. That's easy striking distance for otherwise pure-melees like Olaf, Mundo, and Darius with things like Axes, Cleavers, and Apprehend.

Also, the notion that defense is going to work 100% of the time promoting counter-play is kind of awkward. 1 stratagy working 100% of the time isn't about countering plays. It's just about using the same play over and over. Which is the exact opposite of countering.

You can't always rely on being tankier. You can't always rely on being faster. You can't always rely on having more range.

Also - there are plenty of other game mechanics lacking a hard counter. Tenacity and Cleanse are completely ineffective vs. suppression, knockback, grabs, knokcups, and slowing fields. Point-click abilities cannot be out-maneuvered. You can't do any damage to an invulnerable champion. Projectiles do not strike through projectile-blocking walls. Auto-attacks do not damage champions with 100% dodge-chance. Point-click mechanics are completely useless vs. untargetability.

Vayne's true damage is an incentive for her to navigate a play-path with a lot of counter-play avenues.

SquishyArchon2 votes

not really

50000000000000001 votes

Build health or pick someone with in-combat sustain. Also, get Randuin's to slow her attack speed. Have more than one frontliner so she can't attack just one target.

Saianna1 votes

Also true damage triggers spellvamp, just cause it wasn't strong enough :P

Punkkee1 votes

i did not know that

Marthian2 votes

ANY damage from an ability that triggers ability effects procs spellvamp. It isn't just magic damage, it also applies to physical damage (such as Zed) and true damage (such as Nunu or Cho'gath)

Even so, Silver Bolts DO NOT benefit from spellvamp, nor does it benefit from lifesteal.

Saianna1 votes

I'm not sure if AD magic couts toward spellvamp..

Marthian1 votes

It does. If the ability procs on-hit effects as a ability (not an auto attack), it's damage WILL benefit from spellvamp. (Or basically if it would proc Rylai's slow, it would proc spell vamp)

The reason that it isn't seen on AD casters is because the only two full spellvamp options either give low amounts of AD compared to other items or none at all. Not all of them can use the AP either. You are better off buying something else. Edit: Asides from the misconception that's widely known.

Sightless662 votes

It does. If you get a Gunblade or Wota on an AD champion, the spellvamp will work with their abilities.

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