Was There Ever a Broken champion nerfed to balanced state?

KONO RUBICK DA·Sep 21, 2015·1 votes·841 views

Legit question, i don't remember Riot ever balancing properly.

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galdameshSep 21, 20154 votes

Xin and TF off the top of my head

Edit Eve as well

KONO RUBICK DASep 21, 20151 votes

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Xin and TF off the top of my head

Edit Eve as well

Xin nerfed and was weak until his rework Eve received the worst nerf of all history, you were reported if you played eve after her nerf TF? IDK he received multiple rework from 2009 to 2011

galdameshSep 21, 20154 votes

release xin to xin 4 months later was succesful, you want a champion that was broken nerfed once then never touched again and was balanced forever and always?

Damaged KnivesSep 21, 20152 votes

Leblanc first 2 hours when she was realeased she could 2 shot at level 2, they nerfed her

KONO RUBICK DASep 21, 20151 votes

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first 2 hours when she was realeased she could 2 shot at level 2, they nerfed her

and made her useless for 3 years, or 4 years from 2010 to 2014 where she had the lowest win rate in the game until the rework of her ulti

CrettSep 21, 20151 votes

everyone still hates her guts in lane

JbelsSep 21, 20152 votes

Azir

KONO RUBICK DASep 21, 20151 votes

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Azir

azir was nerfed range/pushing and damage and his win rate was standing at 38% win rate

MiraweaveSep 21, 20151 votes

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azir was nerfed range/pushing and damage and his win rate was standing at 38% win rate

And yet he's still cancer.

Sett up 4my gankSep 21, 20152 votes

Ekko. Received some nerfs reducing his tankiness and he is now quite balanced. Maybe a TAD on the weaker side.

ElisaiSep 21, 20151 votes

I can agree with this. I play a lot of Ekko and his tankekko form is fine now for jg or top. The next thing they need to fix for him is his mid lane problem. Oh he used his W? Walk back and miss 1 farm for 50 of his mana or no farm missed. Oh ekko used Q? Just walk to the left or right to dodge the second proc. Np. Oh he E Q'd? No problem. Just wait for his retreat and stun him and slam him back down harder = win trade.

My personal solution would be to swap the ap damage ratio's on his Q a small bit. Like 0.2 on first hit and 0.5 on the way back instead of the normal 0.1 and 0.6. Normally this wouldn't be a problem if they lowered the W cost down to about 30/40/50/60/70 and the stun duration was 1.5r1/2.0r3/2.25r5. Unfortunately that's not how they decided to easily fix the problem.

warpenguin555Sep 21, 20151 votes

well, to be fair, its pretty hard to hit it nail right on the head when it comes to balance. as long as they do follow up on it they are balancing properly.

Sakura MirageSep 21, 20151 votes

Janna would think something like that has been nerfed but is pretty balanced.

KONO RUBICK DASep 21, 20151 votes

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would think something like that has been nerfed but is pretty balanced.

janna was never broken, her kit had several weakness even if she were strong.

Sakura MirageSep 21, 20151 votes

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janna was never broken, her kit had several weakness even if she were strong.

Oh sorry didn't read the broken part probably lee sin than pretty average after nerfs

ElisaiSep 21, 20151 votes

Lucian. On release he went like this. strongish balanced to op with a all in support to EXTREMELY underpowered for about 5 patchs then finally landed it perfectly in patch 5.16. And now lucian is balanced.

KONO RUBICK DASep 21, 20151 votes

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Lucian. On release he went like this. strongish balanced to op with a all in support to EXTREMELY underpowered for about 5 patchs then finally landed it perfectly in patch 5.16. And now lucian is balanced.

i'm talking about 1 patch, broken champ->patch->balanced never happened that's what i mean

ElisaiSep 21, 20152 votes

That's never going to happen bro. Well actually there is one champion. Vel'Koz. He certainly is strong but that's mainly because of his passive working well in the tank meta.

LoLKiruSep 21, 20152 votes

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That's never going to happen bro. Well actually there is one champion. Vel'Koz. He certainly is strong but that's mainly because of his passive working well in the tank meta.

To be fair, theres never a meta where his passive will be "bad" per-se, its ALWAYS going to be extra damage, and extra damage is always good, no matter who its hitting.

Since he deals a mix of true and magic damage, its harder to itemize against him; and given that he doesn't need much AP, he can just itemize for much cheaper items like grail, morellos, zhonyas; instead of having to worry about things like Deathcap.

Vel'Koz has never been broken either, nor nerfed.

Colgate GatorSep 21, 20151 votes

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Lucian. On release he went like this. strongish balanced to op with a all in support to EXTREMELY underpowered for about 5 patchs then finally landed it perfectly in patch 5.16. And now lucian is balanced.

Oh boy, you forgot to mention the phase he had with his unlimited dashes.

shivers

ElisaiSep 21, 20151 votes

Shut up... That was aweful... Remember caster lucian? 32 second ult cd....... shivers

Blade of JusticSep 21, 20151 votes

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Lucian. On release he went like this. strongish balanced to op with a all in support to EXTREMELY underpowered for about 5 patchs then finally landed it perfectly in patch 5.16. And now lucian is balanced.

If I remember correctly, Lucian was the epitome of "Meh" upon release.

People didn't find him OP or UP. They also didn't find him very interesting.

Then he got buffed into "OMG! WTF! state." Then he got nerfed and now he's slightly under where he started.

ElisaiSep 21, 20151 votes

True. It mainly depends on your support. He synergizes the best with Braum because of both of their passives.

DurzakaSep 21, 20151 votes

Honestly, the only buff that happened to make him strong/balanced on his release was they made his Q track the target better. On release, hitting a moving target with his Q (if they were his main target) was next to impossible.

SpartenA7991Sep 21, 20151 votes

XinZhao

MisterHealYoGirlSep 21, 20151 votes

Elise , a few patches ago; the new jungle items and some buffs to how she could itemize gave her a 54% winrate, but subsequent nerfs to her base damages pushed her down to the ideal 50%.

RalanrSep 21, 20151 votes

Pantheon ultimate nerf?

Marshmallow WolfSep 21, 20151 votes

Kassadin item 3070

BemaponSep 21, 20151 votes

He said balanced, not crippled.

R.I.P. Kassadin

Marshmallow WolfSep 21, 20151 votes

In all seriousness does riot look at the winrates of these champions? 60% skarner got nerfed, yes, but nothing is done about 45% win rate kassadin? Hell even ryze is sitting at 40% just this month.

MudintheWaterSep 21, 20151 votes

I don't know. I would say Kat is pretty balanced for a broken champion. 50% winrate. Not too hard to shut down these days, but can still wreck an unsuspecting team with the right comp.. (mumu+kat=gg)

She isn't oppressive anymore but still playable.

Meep ManSep 21, 20151 votes

Define broken? I have yet to find a champion that I look at and I think to myself "This cannot be balanced... ever."

CrettSep 21, 20151 votes

Katarina resets that double her damage across an entire team means if one person dies, everyone dies which is an inherently broken mechanic

then there's Vladimir riot actually stated somewhere that they regret releasing a champion with spammable ranged manaless sustain

MartyrofsandSep 21, 20151 votes

Let's see

TwistedFate was by far the most broken champ Riot ever made, his ult was his E his pick a card had far more utility and in general was must bad. I would say he's pretty balanced right now.

Ezreal was absurd during season 2, and even previous seasons, when his W healed allies, and could apply a 40% atk speed slow to his enemies and was the sole reason Graves/Corki/Ezreal trifecta existed, IE Ezreal and the champions who could fight Ezreal, yet I would say he's pretty balanced now.

Orianna easily the crown jewel for Riot's balance team. She was broken as hell when she was first released and a must ban but since then she has been nerfed and changed until she has become literally the most balanced champion that Riot, or really any MoBA, game has ever seen. She allows the meta to shift around her while still being relevant and never pushing other champs out of the meta. There is literally no better example of balance to be found in this game, or IMO any MoBA game to date.