The funny thing about Vayne's W is that it actually does have counterplay. There is actually a single mechanic that completely negates its effect.
Rapid health regeneration. Mundo, Fiora, Janna, etc.
The reason why we all hate Vayne's W so much is that there just simply isn't enough rapid health regen to counter it. To say it has no counter is silly. The problem is that its counter is barely ever applicable.
BakedLotion7 votes"healing negates damage"
Desiderium1 votesNot just any healing. Vayne would burn through someone getting healed by Soraka much quicker than someone who is getting their health rapidly REGENERATED.
Regeneration is different from straight up healing in League of Legends.
I know G&B forum doesn't have the brightest stars, but come on.
BakedLotion1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tomb of Insomnia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hgaylfQO,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-08-17T17:12:01.216+0000)
Not just any healing. Vayne would burn through someone getting healed by Soraka much quicker than someone who is getting their health rapidly REGENERATED.
Regeneration is different from straight up healing in League of Legends.
I know G&B forum doesn't have the brightest stars, but come on.
Guess what else regeneration counters? any damage. It ain't a counter it's just a regular stat lmfao.
UltraSceptile5 votes"release xin zhao had a counter, just heal everything he had by having 5 mundoes on your team"
thinking man1 votes"gaining health counters taking damage"
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesthe funny thing, is that every other champion has this counter+ health/armor/mr counter
Radnar the bold1 votesI play garen and her W still gets chunks of damage off me, and if she has CC on her team? she just chunks it more. The w is useless when I can get away, or when my team can grab her offguard.
7ha7guy7771 votesShields and taunts Taunts switch focus so if timed correctly can stop a silver bolts proc and cc vayne long enough for your team to delete her Shields block damage with increasing your health pool and counter % hp damage in general
Ionian1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tomb of Insomnia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hgaylfQO,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-17T16:59:50.885+0000)
The funny thing about Vayne's W is that it actually does have counterplay. There is actually a single mechanic that completely negates its effect.
Rapid health regeneration. Mundo, Fiora, Janna, etc.
The reason why we all hate Vayne's W so much is that there just simply isn't enough rapid health regen to counter it. To say it has no counter is silly. The problem is that its counter is barely ever applicable.
First of all, healing counters every type of damage.
Not only that, but also you yourself explained why this doesn't balance Vayne's W. "The problem is that its counter is barely ever applicable."
Desiderium1 votes[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hgaylfQO,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-08-17T17:20:29.225+0000)
Not only that, but also you yourself explained why this doesn't balance Vayne's W. "The problem is that its counter is barely ever applicable."
Why are you under the impression that I was claiming the ability to be balanced? All I said is that it technically has a counter. I wasn't taking Vayne's side.
50000000000000001 votesMundo needs to build health to get better healing. Vayne needs their target to build HP to do more damage.
Janna is better off just spamming her spells for teammates.
Shadow Gilgamesh1 votesThat like... might be true in Isolation. But a lot of the rapid regen is either way too weak to match it (Janna and Fiora) or comes packaged with the tankiness Vayne is made to wreck (Volibear and Mundo) so it doesn't really help long in real game situations. Shields are a better counter to it since it gives you survivability without upping the damage you'll take, even though pretty much every shield doesn't make much of a difference once she's ALSO doing 8% current HP with every attack on her first core item 