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Why didn't they rework Zed further?

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Zed as a champion is extremely unhealthy. Based on champion.gg he is banned in 37.6% of games, yet picked in only 7.3% of games. His win rate is also low, at 47.9%. This is the 4th highest ban rate, yet the 18th highest pick rate. Lets compare this to fizz, who on some levels is similar to zed. He has an ult that marks you and deals more when he hits a marked target. He is melee and slippery with his e which can allow for somewhat similar escapes and engages to zed w. Fizz has a better win rate and lower ban rate.

The way I interpret this is that people hate him so much that they ban him, even though he isn't picked much and doesn't even win as much. I think the reason is pretty clear, it's so stupid to play against him in lane that it is worth a ban for mid laners even if someone truly overpowered is left unbanned. Additionally I assume a lot of bot laners ban him because his ult is horrifying. The change to his bonus AD will make this worse as no stacking AD player in their right mind wants a zed to camp them and snowball off of them. It will make that game hell for them.

With basically only his bonus AD touched, his lane will be identical to how it is now. Which is horseshit gameplay and really should be looked at. It's just not fun, which is really the core of the problem for me. I don't like playing against his obnoxious free poke, nor do I like to be killed under tower from 70% hp. Let me be very clear that these things are not overpowered as shown very clearly by his win rate. Lots of other champions have poke and the ability to kill you under tower, it's just for some reason which designers need to find out and address, Zed is the least fun to play against of them all.

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Handy Sandy 1 votes

Zed as a champion is extremely unhealthy.

Not really, he's a high skillcap squishy assassin. While it may seem like he's just pressing R and igniting you, there's more to it than that.

Based on champion.gg he is banned in 37.6% of games, yet picked in only 7.3% of games. His win rate is also low, at 47.9%. This is the 4th highest ban rate, yet the 18th highest pick rate.

He's one of the best champions to trash people who don't know how to fight him right or dodge linear skillshots that are predictable. (See Blitz Q.)

The way I interpret this is that people hate him so much that they ban him, even though he isn't picked much and doesn't even win as much. I think the reason is pretty clear, it's so stupid to play against him in lane that it is worth a ban for mid laners even if someone truly overpowered is left unbanned.

He's an assassin, assassin counters most midlane mages. He can go invulnerable which counters a mage's burst, and has mobility vs those low mobility mages. Also if you don't know how to bait, it's pretty hard to gank him since he has both his W and R to escape.

With basically only his bonus AD touched, his lane will be identical to how it is now. Which is horseshit gameplay and really should be looked at. It's just not fun, which is really the core of the problem for me. I don't like playing against his obnoxious free poke,

His shuriken is really predictable and easy to dodge. If he tries to get his shadow thing on you then get away from it and punish him.

nor do I like to be killed under tower from 70% hp.

He's an assassin, you should expect him to kill you if you aren't full health. When is it uncommon for an assassin to 100-0 people that aren't full health?

Zed is the least fun to play against of them all.

It's an opinion. Take summoner 21 summoner 3

rtbf761092711 votes

It's a popular opinion. Again it's not about counterplay or being OP or too hard to dodge or whatever. It's his extremely high ban rate, low pick rate and low win rate that show he isn't FUN to play against.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

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It's a popular opinion. Again it's not about counterplay or being OP or too hard to dodge or whatever. It's his extremely high ban rate, low pick rate and low win rate that show he isn't FUN to play against.

He **_is _**fun to play against, he has counterplay and he can punish you. Pretty balanced rn, anyone can be not fun to play against. If he's not fun to play against, learn how to play against him.

rtbf761092711 votes

I don't get how you can look at his pick/ban/win stats and think I am alone in thinking this way. He has a higher ban rate than syndra, with a lower win rate and a lower play rate. And man is she hated right now

Me and you sharing our opinions on if he is fun to play against is kind of pointless because of course that's an personal opinion. What matters is the collective opinion of the community to see if on the whole if he is fun and healthy in the eyes of the most people possible. There will always be individuals who like the most hated champions and vice versa but what matters is the stats:

4th highest ban rate in the game, counting each role separately so many champions count twice: http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.banRate&order=descend&roleSort=

156th lowest win rate in the game, counting each role separately so many champions count twice: http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=

I don't see how you can look at these numbers and claim that he is fun to play against in the eyes of most people, and try to claim if he isn't fun, one should just learn how to play against him.

Every stats site is a little different due to the time period they chose and if they separate by lane but the message is pretty clear. People ban zed so much because they hate him, not because they lose the game to him

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