How is Zoe any healthier than AP Kog'Maw?

NodirjonSattarov·Feb 14, 2018·4 votes·367 views

At least Kog'Maw doesn't have an AoE single target 2s ~~stun~~ sleep effect

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Taliyah RocksFeb 14, 20187 votes

Well at least Zoe doesn't have an AoE 2s stun either.

NodirjonSattarovFeb 14, 20181 votes

The bubble deals magic damage on contact with an enemy and renders them Drowsy icon drowsy for 2.2 seconds, which gradually Slow icon slows them, after which they fall Sleep icon asleep for 2 seconds

RenownedWheat42Feb 14, 20181 votes

Affects a single target. There's an "area of effect" in which you can suffer from the stun, yes, but it doesn't affect more than one person.

AoE stun is like Jax E.

NodirjonSattarovFeb 14, 20181 votes

Does it slow additional people? I've only solo laned vs Zoe as TF. Any time I walk up to stun her she face throws her E and I get sleepy for 2 whole seconds. TF gold card lasts 1 second (increasing to 2 at max rank) so I literally can't trade with her if I get hit by the face E. "So just dodge it?" The ability has 800range whereas my TF aa range is 525. Good Zoe's either play aggressive with E knowing they can hit it or they hold onto it knowing they'll win the trade when engaged on.

MooooooooreDakkaFeb 14, 20182 votes

I'm assuming you mean season 5 ap kog. First, as someone mentioned, Zoe also lacks an aoe stun. Second, kog ult had a lower cooldown, didn't require putting him close to danger, and could ignore minions/body blocking. His disadvantages were lacking self peel and requiring multiple hits to kill.

NodirjonSattarovFeb 14, 20181 votes

AoE drowse ability that hits the first target, whatever. I'm comparing how Zoe can sling her spells over and over again either clearing waves or one-shotting anything.

kog ult had a lower cooldown, didn't require putting him close to danger Lower cooldown, yes. But abominable mana costs associated with it. You literally have to wait until Seraphs to spam R but even then you aren't at the luxury or smashing your R key. The biggest complaint about AP Kog is reliable damage at a safe distance. But reliable =/= being able to one shot squishies. To be successful on AP Kog, you have to be able to land Q, E, R, R, R or at least E, R , R. If you don't at least land E then you're done. All of AP Kog's main abilities cost so much mana (E starting out at 80 mana and R stacking mana). Zoe just waits for her CD on E and Q or just Q itself. With the abundance of CDR she really doesn't have to wait that long.

Taliyah RocksFeb 14, 20182 votes

Maybe because Zoe requires linesight for all of her spells? That she has a plethora of items and champions that can counter her?

Whereas Kog'Maw is a 710 range high speed point and click auto-attack that does %health magic damage shred, which is hard to itemize against since it's hybrid %hp damage?

NodirjonSattarovFeb 14, 20181 votes

AP Kog'Maw does most of his damage with E and R. I have no idea what AP Kog you're talking about.

MagicFlyingLlamaFeb 14, 20181 votes

AP Kog has no sustained damage and not even very good burst? His strength is poke/execute.

NodirjonSattarovFeb 14, 20181 votes

People complain about AP Kog any time he becomes viable. "He's too safe" Okay, yeah he sits under tower but at least he doesn't stun you for 2 years and hit you with a true damage comet that hits like a truck.