I am so mentally conditioned to Teleport I am EXTREMELY afraid of what fucking Meddler is proposing

ryona··2 votes·313 views

I laughingly joke about a lot of the bullshit over this game to get over the stress of playing it, but I've never been overly distressed about balancing until Meddler has just proposed the idea of further attacking Teleport or outright removing it from the game in his genius.

Since even Season 3 I've strained how much I play based on looking at the minimap and how to successfully utilize Teleport to make things happen across the map. Point in case, it's reached a point where even after the slowdown to it some time ago, I will teleport generally in the very instant it is required without delay.

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I also use it to set up flanks, base map rotations and CSIng around it mid to late-game, and float around mid Diamond (or the highest) on average for my performance that is dictated almost entirely by how well I spin it. Teleport is also a possible out to extraordinarily toxic champions like Heimerdinger that are unbeatable in lane by trying to force an end to the laning phase through a good play and swap lanes immediately like what it seen here.

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Removing or drastically changing this summoner spell more than what was done with it last time leaves people like me to an extremely uncertain future. It will not only completely disregard what I've worked to improve upon for years now, it will destroy what I plan my game rotations around, increasingly escalate the power of ranged bullies in top lane, and add unconditional power to champions like Shen PantheonQuinn that will gladly mind Teleport's removal because they will be uncontested in their map plays and resume playing as if they had Teleport by default.

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Hey h0w r ya2 votes

I am the opposite, I hope they remove Teleport completely. It is toxic and this mentality of "lol first team to 5 man bot wins" is dumb

I hope they delete flash too. Keep the rest and out flash and TP

Leylania1 votes

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I am the opposite, I hope they remove Teleport completely. It is toxic and this mentality of "lol first team to 5 man bot wins" is dumb

I hope they delete flash too. Keep the rest and out flash and TP

And why do people go 5 man bot to win the game? Because the botlaners are too strong and therefor have too much impact right now not because teleport is too strong. Seriously how can you give teleport the fault for it when jungle and mid are walking there aswell?

ryona1 votes

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And why do people go 5 man bot to win the game? Because the botlaners are too strong and therefor have too much impact right now not because teleport is too strong. Seriously how can you give teleport the fault for it when jungle and mid are walking there aswell?

It should also be established knowing exactly when to Teleport is a skill in of itself and establishes how aware a player is to use it properly.

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In this losing game, can you just imagine what not having Teleport would entail? I single-handedly turned the tide of the game back into our favor with that and, without it, I would be confined to looking at Gangplank in lane as every other lane falls apart or alternatively my lane falling apart if I walked to the other lanes instead of focusing on the splitpusher.

EbonyBladeJ881 votes

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I hope they delete flash too. Keep the rest and out flash and TP

Removing Flash means greatly reducing the mobility of a very large number of champions, many of whom would be near-on completely useless without it.

For example, let's look at the Fighter subclasses.

Juggernauts, who are among the slowest, and most telegraphed of all the champions, would now lack any way of getting on those capable of kiting them. Mages, Marksmen, and even some Assassins would be able to run circles around them even more than they already do. Granted, Kiting is intended to be the main form of counterplay to a Juggernaut, and a person who commented on one of my Juggernaut discussion threads put it this way...

"The juggernaut subclass is well spread over the regions of the game and they are all different thematically, yet all give you exactly that feeling of being a living fortress. Something that slowly comes after you and your only way to survive is to run. (aka kiting)" - SatomiKun

Without Flash, Juggernauts are now completely screwed, as even if they were able to use their very limited CC to catch a target, that target could just respond in kind and use their CC or escapes to get right back out of the Juggernaut's reach and the Juggernaut would be right back where they started. The same could apply even when factoring in the bonus effects some of their items grant (item 3071 / item 3078 Rage passive, item 3742 Gradual MS boost, item 3143 Active Slow, etc.) as the target could have their own bonuses from their itemization that could render the Juggernaut's bonuses useless.

So just Flash alone being gone screws them over the hardest. I'll get to TP below, but let's look at the other Fighter subclass and how removing Flash could affect them; namely, the Divers.

Divers, who are also part of the Fighter class, would not have quite as hard a time, as they usually have one, to sometimes two abilities that could be counted as a dash, leap or blink, depending on how you look at it. But once used, that ability often has a long CD, and it is used to do exactly what the subclass name implies: DIVE, often right into the center of the enemy team in hopes of disrupting or distracting them enough for the rest of the Diver's team to follow up and turn the fight in their favor.

Once that Diver has used their "Diving" ability, they are left to their own devices. Sure, they might have a Slow, a Stun, or some other form of CC on another ability, whether an ultimate or not. However, aside from using Flash, they have no other way of getting in (Or out, as the case may be) once that "Diving" ability has been used, unless they manage to win the fight. Divers usually have a more balanced build than Juggernauts: Juggs commonly only need 1 offensive item and can go full tank afterwards, while Divers oftentimes have to be more balanced, or a roughly equal mix of offense and defense, depending on the enemy comp. The same idea of adaptability for one's build applies to Juggernauts for the enemy comp, but it's usually more forgiving as Juggernauts have higher built-in defenses.

In summary of this point, Divers aren't as bad off as Juggernauts are, but they aren't in much better position either. Once again, I'll go over how the removal of TP would affect them below.

Now let's try another class/subclass: Mages.

For most mages (Whether in a subclass or not) Flash often acts as an escape when all other options have failed (Such as using one's CC to repel the attacker or attackers, as the case may be). So this would make them very susceptible to Assassins, or rather, Slayers (Who are considered Mage's natural predators anyways) who use their slipperiness/high mobility to avoid a Mage's CC or damage. This could even make them susceptible to Fighters and Tanks, though that is less likely given the fact that Fighters/Tanks lower overall mobility makes it harder for them to close the gap when not factoring in blinks or dashes like Flash or even their kit's CC.

So for Mages, removing Flash makes them pretty much completely unable to outplay a smart Slayer/Assassin.

Now let's move on to TP, to start, we'll go back to Juggernauts. Or actually, for a broader sense, let's say top-lane in general, as that's where most, if not all Juggernauts go, as well as some Divers, and members of other classes/subclasses are seen, and it is where TP gets taken as a Summoner Spell most often. (Like Tanks, Skirmishers, a few Assassins, etc.)

For the last few seasons, Flash and TP have been the bread-and-butter summoner spells for top-laners. Flash was your get-out-of-jail-free card (Not sure if that's the exact right way to put it, but whatever), and TP made up your map pressure. It's often said that Top Lane is an Island. This can be considered very true, as it is the furthest place from where a Jungler has their most success (Mid, and Bot, where Dragon is located). So Top-Laners are often going solo, and any failures or successes are on the head of the person playing top-lane. YOU were (And largely still are) responsible for your lane's success. Sure, you might get a gank here and there from the JG, but their main focus is going to be where the important stuff is, down on Bot lane. So, TP (When you took it) made it possible to extend your influence to the other lanes, at the cost of a long CD, and depending on how things were going, some minion waves or even your tower, if things go bad. If a fight was going down bot, or mid, and there was a good place for you to TP in from (Such as a well-placed ward), you could use it, and if you timed it right and then played your cards right after arriving, you could turn the fight in the favor of your team. That's where the 4 to 5-man bot thing popped up.

Removing TP makes Top lane even MORE of an island than it currently is. It would probably come to the point that neither toplaner would EVER see their Jungler, much less get a gank from them, considering the unreliability of Rift Herald as an objective, and the lack of influence that helping the toplaner would give them, when Mid or Bot lane could make for MUCH juicer opportunities.

I know my dissertation, if one could call it that, on TP is shorter than the one for Flash, but I hope I've gotten across how, at least in MY opinion, removing these two Summoner Spells could be VERY detrimental to the game.

redniwediS1 votes

The last time they nerfed TP it felt pretty bad, but it was something we got used to. Mid laners are even taking it again, and while I would definitely argue it's not because TP is too strong like it was last time I'd say it's not worth the effort for Riot to fix the real problem, and just nerf TP as a quick fix.

I'm going to start practicing using Ignite, or even try Ghost, instead of TP just in case they hit it too hard. I haven't used ignite since early season 3, and I really don't care for it as a spell, but if TP isn't worth it after the coming changes what else would I try?

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