Who Ever Did The Darius rework should stop Reworking champs

KONO RUBICK DA··3 votes·440 views

World proved it, he is like before. He spins, walks, does shit, get shit on. He is still a walking minion, contribute to nothing, lose or get carried So Hard. He can only brings damage and most of the time he can't unleashe everything, seriously? even renekton has nearly the same damage than him while bringing more cc and being more mobile, and that's without counting the next nerf that he will take. The rework made nothing, it didn't give him any utility or anything. The only Strength he can bring is a 700 true damage nuke if he has the possibility to stack 5 stacks.

Garen can: silence every 4 or 5 seconds, actually tank damage with damage reduction, has a 3.5 seconds speed and slow cleanse to reduce his weakness which is kitting, can porperly damage multiple target (his E can do 1000 damage) and can deal 10% of max hp true damage.

Darius: "well he can spin and do damage!has an AA reset which has 1 sec slow, a small hook with 1 sec slow and he can dunk his oppenents"

Even Axe in Dota 2 who is a slow moving juggernaut with spins and reset dunk like darius has an AOE Taunt ,small slow and his dunk gives Ms/As steroid to his allies, so he can still contribute to the fight. And like Always, the designers will never acknowledge their mistake.

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Critmaster Garen1 votes

and yet, darius actually got picked or banned while garen was entirely ignored.

darius has a pull and 2 slows in his kit on a relatively low cooldown, to garens speed boost. he has in combat sustain that makes him more tanky.

they have similar playstiles and get shit on the same when it comes to pro play. i have a feeling the only reason darius is picked on the slight off chance that he actually manages to unleash his full potential in a teamfight.

but until now he had basically no impact.

nothing he did in that last game vs tsm was out of the ordinary for any top laner or champ at all. he got 2 kills with his q on 4v2 ganks and another 2 kills in teamfights by finishing someone off on low hp.

the kog maw clearly carried the game and darius always came in late and just cleaned up 1 or 2 people on 100 hp.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbGVJULM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-10-02T15:49:18.303+0000)

and yet, darius actually got picked or banned while garen was entirely ignored.

darius has a pull and 2 slows in his kit on a relatively low cooldown, to garens speed boost. he has in combat sustain that makes him more tanky.

they have similar playstiles and get shit on the same when it comes to pro play. i have a feeling the only reason darius is picked on the slight off chance that he actually manages to unleash his full potential in a teamfight.

And yet, he won 1 game out of 6/7/ or 8. They Did a mistake by picking him that's all. The game he won jinx was 13/3/9, he got carried as fuck and did nothing except tping bot like any top laner. This disgust me so hard, Garen could have done way better than him especially against gnar he could purge the slow and rekt him with the silence.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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And yet, he won 1 game out of 6/7/ or 8. They Did a mistake by picking him that's all. The game he won jinx was 13/3/9, he got carried as fuck and did nothing except tping bot like any top laner. This disgust me so hard, Garen could have done way better than him especially against gnar he could purge the slow and rekt him with the silence.

i know he got carried. the point im making is, i dont think garen would have done much better in that situation. he cant chose targets as freely as darius to be as effective as him, which makes it more easy to shut him out in coordinated play.

darius did got carried in the games he won, but garen wasnt even considered.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbGVJULM,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-02T15:54:55.079+0000)

i know he got carried. the point im making is, i dont think garen would have done much better in that situation. he cant chose targets as freely as darius to be as effective as him, which makes it more easy to shut him out in coordinated play.

darius did got carried in the games he won, but garen wasnt even considered.

i'm telling you that garen should have been considered, darius was camped in the 7 games and that's how he gave kills. Garen is much more harder to gank. Garen is tankier, more mobile. Darius pull range was nerfed, they also corrected a bug which made him viable and they're about to nerf the slow. Garen also can do better than Darius against ranged champ like gnar who was picked in all Darius game (mostly)

ninjaIRL 1 votes

Darius is actually getting picked so I think the rework was good. His heal lets him stay in fights well

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

[{quoted}](name=ninjaIRL ,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbGVJULM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-10-02T16:05:08.847+0000)

Darius is actually getting picked so I think the rework was good. His heal lets him stay in fights well

In Every game he was picked, Garen could have done better with slow cleanse against gnar, Darius never used his reset in any game Garen ulti should have been better.

And Garen is more mobile, Darius was camped in every game and fed Garen is harder to gank.

Pro players thought that he was broken due to 90% ban rate, he just sucks that's all and that's why he either lost in 90% of the game or was carried

luckmallory1 votes

Good thing you know more than LCS players

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

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Good thing you know more than LCS players

good right? darius was always a 300 gold packet for the jungler

luckmallory1 votes

Coming from a Darius main. Before the rework, if i got ganked by the jungler post 6 i almost always killed one and most of the time both. Post rework it is harder but that is what wards are for. His heal makes him pretty hard to gank and considering he was against gnar most games it really isnt his fault. Junglers masturbate to ganking for gnar

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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Coming from a Darius main. Before the rework, if i got ganked by the jungler post 6 i almost always killed one and most of the time both. Post rework it is harder but that is what wards are for. His heal makes him pretty hard to gank and considering he was against gnar most games it really isnt his fault. Junglers masturbate to ganking for gnar

see? even you you play better than them, darius always died by ganks in world

ninjaIRL 1 votes

Darius is performing really really well. Garen's ultimate is incomparable to Darius' when you consider that Darius's ultimate resets. Garen's cleanse from slows is nothing when he has zero hard CC compared to Darius' slows and hooks where he can FORCE them to fight him because they have to stick near him to NOT get hit by his Q which would otherwise heal all the burst that they unloaded unto him.

Darius' immobility is covered by his team mates because in teams each pick is meant to complement each other. Garen has zero uses once he gets into a teamfight, once Darius gets into a fight he will outperform an opposing Garen. Garen might make it into the middle of fights easier than Darius but he's fucking useless. The only thing a Garen would do is KS from his carries.

You're simply delusional if you think Garen is more useful in teamfights than Darius.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=ninjaIRL ,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbGVJULM,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2015-10-02T16:58:02.651+0000)

Darius is performing really really well. Garen's ultimate is incomparable to Darius' when you consider that Darius's ultimate resets. Garen's cleanse from slows is nothing when he has zero hard CC compared to Darius' slows and hooks where he can FORCE them to fight him because they have to stick near him to NOT get hit by his Q which would otherwise heal all the burst that they unloaded unto him.

Darius' immobility is covered by his team mates because in teams each pick is meant to complement each other. Garen has zero uses once he gets into a teamfight, once Darius gets into a fight he will outperform an opposing Garen. Garen might make it into the middle of fights easier than Darius but he's fucking useless. The only thing a Garen would do is KS from his carries.

You're simply delusional if you think Garen is more useful in teamfights than Garen.

i'm telling you that he never used his reset, and darius slows combined last 2 seconds, 1.2 against champions with mercury. Darius pull also has 450 range, the bug was removed. he doesn't force him to fight, if he pulls them they can stay near them fight him darius has a low AS, and they can dodge his blade if they are near him.

ninjaIRL 1 votes

And why would Garen's ultimate be any better?

I'm sorry but you're being really stupid.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=ninjaIRL ,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbGVJULM,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2015-10-02T17:03:34.095+0000)

And why would Garen's ultimate be any better?

I'm sorry but you're being really stupid.

because Darius reset wasn't used, garen ultimate does more damage and doesn't need 5 stacks

Garen ulti can also do 525 true damage +40% missing hp

ninjaIRL 1 votes

Garen's ultimate needs to have them on low health.

Darius being able to force enemies to stick near him lest they heal him with Q is what he does. The enemy has to stay within close proximity to Darius forcing them to take extra stacks and amplifying a possible Darius ultimate.

Garen does nothing compared to Darius.

Big Lincoln1 votes

imo darius could stand to get his W's scaling back

since they're nerfing his utility (Q blade, E slow) he should have some damage back. would also help diversify his skill orders a little more -- w for damage upfront, E for armor pen vs tankier teams and armor-rushing enemies

they should emphasize him as being a tanky carry with high damage, idk what they can do for utility tbh

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Solomon Money,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbGVJULM,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-10-02T16:07:24.697+0000)

imo darius could stand to get his W's scaling back

since they're nerfing his utility (Q blade, E slow) he should have some damage back. would also help diversify his skill orders a little more -- w for damage upfront, E for armor pen vs tankier teams and armor-rushing enemies

they should emphasize him as being a tanky carry with high damage, idk what they can do for utility tbh

utility? remember that Darius had an attack speed slow.

Big Lincoln1 votes

i mean yeah, they nerfed his utility

my main issue is that juggernauts have lost a lot of utility (garen silence, MS boost are worse, darius lost his AS slow for another slow he didn't even need on his hook, mord no solo W dot etc) for damage they have to work for a lot more than others. which, for darius, is understandable. but imo since they're still nerfing it next patch, he deserves to have more upfront

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Solomon Money,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hbGVJULM,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-10-02T16:22:19.664+0000)

i mean yeah, they nerfed his utility

my main issue is that juggernauts have lost a lot of utility (garen silence, MS boost are worse, darius lost his AS slow for another slow he didn't even need on his hook, mord no solo W dot etc) for damage they have to work for a lot more than others. which, for darius, is understandable. but imo since they're still nerfing it next patch, he deserves to have more upfront

actually Garen silence was nerfed for the sake of counterplay, but he still has one. Mordekaiser ulti is a big utility, steal a champion, get AD/AP/health i don't remember, get a dragon that you can send to split push also applies rylai.

Darius is the only juggernaut with nothing

Big Lincoln1 votes

well, they have less utility than before.

mord might be the exception because of that shit gimmick dragon, but they all seem to be lesser in terms of damage and riot aimed at making them high-dps sources

Cloud2731 votes

Reset champs in general are usually broken, no matter how many nerfs they receive. Until the resets, reduced cooldowns from kills/assists, etc are removed these champs will never be balanced.

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