Give Ahri a Passive

FeistyPoptart··5 votes·1,703 views

When the ahri mini rework came out it was underwhelming and overall just seemed like a nerf to her passive and q movespeed. But why? She wasn't even good in the first place and now shes pretty much unplayable unless she just plays as a charm bot until she has 2 or three items so she can start to actually deal damage. Before that point its almost impossible to win lane because every other midlaner out trades you just because ahri barely does any damage pre six (unless the enemy laner is dumb enough to move out from behind the wave so you can hit a charm) and even after six your ult just gets outclassed by other popular mages/assassins like zed, kassadin, leblanc, zoe, etc when it comes to picking people off. Overall ahri just feels weak because without a HUGE lead you cant really do anything until the game reaches around 25-30 mins. I understand if this post is not very good, im gold 5 and I suck at writing so it's probably pretty hard to take me seriously, but I personally like ahri a lot and I feel like she at least deserves more than just and increase to her charm duration. Maybe give her a real passive too, unlike this fucking janna passive that you get ONLY after hitting 2 abilities. I'm open to criticism.

Edit: Holy shit this got way more attention than I expected. I would like to, again, say sorry for my lack of knowledge, I didn't research anything beforehand and I don't even play ahri that much(only like 60k mastery). I just kinda got bored and posted this. I get that she has been strong a lot in the past but right now, even though she might not be bad, I feel like I strayed a bit too far from my original point of her not having a very impactful passive. I understand that if they were to give her power there they would have to nerf something else, and some people just prefer the way she is now(I only really ever enjoyed/played the more recent one where her q gave movespeed), but I personally dislike her atm and I havent seen her much in competitive at all recently and felt like making a post just for fun.

24 Comments

MorganFreemanBot4 votes

"Wasn't even good in the first place."

Aside from a period of weakness in.. I think s4(?).. Ahri has been one of the most flexible and strong mid-picks since her original release. Tis is especially true post Q movement speed, which I think came about in s5?

FeistyPoptart1 votes

I was talking about right before they changed her q and passive around. It was poor phrasing on my part to say she "wasn't that good" but in my opinion she was pretty mediocre . I have played only a little bit of her since the change and she felt weaker aside from the e's new/old mr shred and every time I play against her its like she has no chance to win lane.

ExcessiveProtest3 votes

Not quite: she was strong before season 4, dropped off the face of the earth until the 4.12 buff, but still never reached her old levels, then Rito started off the infamous season 5 by deleting DFG. They decided she is now a kite mage, screw you Ahri players, and removed some of her damage and Charm's damage amp as compensation for losing a core damage item, added movespeed and called it done. They later admitted this was all supposed to be a nerf, but they added a _lot _ of movespeed, and you know how they are with admitting mistakes, even when their nerf hits 57% winrate everywhere below Diamond.

Thus, she began stomping every elo where winning just meant not feeding despite repeated nerfs, but simultaneously completely left pro play until season 7, when every single meta midlaner was simultaneously nerfed (RIP Syndra and Viktor). She was then nerfed in turn, but harder this time, and underperformed in every elo until the partial dework this year, which ended up lowering her overall performance further until the followup Charm buffs.

As for OP: leave her passive as-is; it's pathetically nonexistent, but she still has her old one on Q, and the last thing we need is everyone to start screaming for nerfs now that she's finally in a state vaguely approaching something that resembles Pro-viable with Worlds coming up. And you know they will the moment they see a real passive on the PBE. I'd absolutely love more damage and Charm amping everything like she used to have instead of Charm utility (though interrupting dashes again would be wonderful), but the only guy willing to work with us just left the company, and I'd rather not risk it.

Also the speed procs off any two ability hits on a champ, even from the same ability.

Eedat3 votes

Yeah Ahri was such a trash champ that she held a ~53% winrate with ~13% pickrate for 3 years straight kek

ExcessiveProtest4 votes

She was indeed; had 53% in Bronze through Gold for two years, while simultaneously the repeated World Champion Midlaner, who has been actively trying to get a Worlds skin on her for years, said picking her was the same as throwing the game in serious matches. She could stomp bad players easily, but still had a whopping 0% pick/ban rate where it mattered.

The only time that rate passed 0% was, as the old Gangplank joke goes, when literally every Champ in her lane got nerfed. She then dropped to 49% in bronze, lower as you climbed, despite having no strategic niche like most sub-50 winrate Champs have.

Eedat3 votes

She was indeed; had 53% in Bronze through Gold for two years

Nope, sorry but straight up wrong. ~53% WR with ~13% pickrate for three years straight in Plat+

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ahri/platinum

Even in Diamond+

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ahri/diamond

ExcessiveProtest4 votes

You ever read what Mark Twain said about statistics? It goes double for League. Go to any other stat site and that winrate drops substantially.

https://www.leaguespy.net/league-of-legends/champions

I'll pull up old data for the other sites when I'm more awake, they're fighters, but no matter which site you go to, even with the season's World Champ actively looking for a chance to pick her just once, she still had a 0% existence rate in serious play, outside Rito-class screwups.

Eedat2 votes

https://www.leaguespy.net/league-of-legends/champions

What is the point of this site? What is the point of a beta site that doesnt even have data for seasons 4, 5, 6, and only part of season 7 lol? Looking for an actual source please

Eedat3 votes

"weakness" for Ahri is when she drops 0.1% below 52% WR and under 10% playrate lol

SwiftKitten883 votes

Ahri was never really "reworked" she was just slightly tweaked, and has sense been mostly tweaked back

MrHaZeYo2 votes

When I started League, Ahri and Akali where my two champs I played repeatedly.

Ahri, in Season 3 was a monster, she didn't have MS on her Q, she didn't have damage amp on her E. What she had was a W that didn't do reduced damage depending on the amount of Fox Fires that hit a target (Currently and since S4 preseason, it's 20% reduced per additional fox fire).

Season 4 brought the W damage reduction but added on the Charm Damage Amp, this was Ahri's all time low in her League existence. While it worked well with DFG, she was nothing more then a single target burst assassin that was outclassed by LeBlanc (who still had Silence), and Kassadin (Pre and Post Silence).

Season 5 brought us the removal of DFG and thus the change to her kit which most of us know the most, she transformed into a Kite Mage with Assassin like mid/late game damage. The MS was to much on her Q and her passive healed to much for the meta at the time. They both got nerfed after she started seeing Pro play for the 1st time since Season 3 Worlds when Faker made her popular. S6 and 7 she was played only a few times in pros but was a good solo queue mid laner due to her relative safety in lane and ability to catch and delete in the mid/late game.

Now she is back to her S4 form, but they switched her passive to her Q (made it weaker) and added her MS boost to her passive (making it weaker), DFG isn't a thing, again making her weaker. So while yes you are right in saying she was tweaked back, but your also wrong as she still isn't what she originally was. They tweaked her back to her weakest state in her entire existence without her also having he item that she synergized with.

Now as I'm sure you may know, I'm a Ahri main ( or well she's my most played champion in 5+ years), and I am completely fine with her in her current form because I hate how annoying it is to play against her, but she is in no way in a "good" state.

The one thing I'd like to see though, is giving back her charms "stop and move towards me" ability when hit on dashing targets, it made the LB match up so much easier as her QW combo could no longer proc and she'd end up taking the brute of you're combo without being able to do any damage to you. Also was funny seeing a Trist mid dash come back towards you. This type of buff would reward good Ahri's and not phase bad ones.

Malak2 votes

ahri is already a pain in the ass

Rins Thigh Socks2 votes

... She still has her original passive as well the text is just on her Q now jfc

Just 4 Memes1 votes

But first...

Give MonkeyKing a passive :)

Draconian5652 votes

Was going to comment this.

That 4 armor and MR so useful on Wukong AMIRITE? Meanwhile, new champs have like 3 paragraphs worth of passive material.

enraptured2 votes

3 paragraphs that could have been succinctly written in 3 sentences, if Riot stopped with the inscrutable tool tips.

Draconian5651 votes

Darius - hit some moron 5 times, you get a lot of AD and bleed damage. the higher level you are, the more the bleed damage scales with your AD.

Wow, you right.

Linna Excel1 votes

How much power budget does she have and how much will a real passive take up?

What is a real Ahri passive?

Atmosphere1 votes

If you can't deal damage until 2-3 items despite Ahri having a 25% damage increase to all abilities after landing her E, I don't think the problem has anything to do with her kit.

wildfox991 votes

actually 20%

and considering her ablities have the worst scaling among all mid laners,is not that much

just for example Kayn gets a 40% bonus damage as passive (no skillshot needed)

i hate when people try to "teach" others how to play without even knowing what are they talking about

HP Crookshanks1 votes

I agree Ahri's passive is terrible and it should be changed. They can nerf her E to compensate.

wildfox991 votes

they should rework her Q passive and remove her passvie the first one is uninteractive sustain when you spam on minions that does nothig in a fight

her passive shouldn't give her movement speed since in her kit it's nearly useless what's the point of having 20% movement speed while i'm dashing around? the only use of this passive is as mini escape

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