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Leblanc revert was a stupid idea

FeistyPoptart·7/30/2018, 5:06:38 AM·58 votes·14,235 views

Honestly the rework felt a lot healthier to the game for me. She had delayed burst, aka counterplay, and a higher skill floor/ceiling than the old one with the way she had to put out combos and use her burst. Then they reverted her to the same qrw champion that instakills you with absolutely no delay which feels extremely shitty to play as and against. It literally only seems like people were complaining about her rework because it took more skill, but honestly that's what made her so much more fun. Trading in lane phase would have you to use your w to set up a q bounce and all ins REQUIRED you to land a chain(her only skillshot) but now all you have to do to trade is press q and w without moving your mouse, and bam, half of their hp bar is gone. I have played a lot of both of them and the rework felt like a very refreshing take on her kit that required you to actually land a skillshot and punished you for going in at the wrong time with the delay of her w recast.

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Infernape7/30/2018, 5:49:08 AM28 votes

Then again, reworked Leblanc was not the most healthiest champion either. She was permabanned soon after she got reworked (even in pro play she had a near 100% pick/ban presence). Then Riot assblasted the scaling on her kit forcing her to either rely on a gimmick like double proccing Hextech Revolver and Sheen items or Hextech Gunblade to even have a chance of being useful. Not to mention, her kit was made incredibly clunky.

aezens7/30/2018, 8:38:47 AM10 votes

I don´t care wheter it´s original or reworked Leblanc the only thing that bothers me about this champion is the range of etherial chains. Asssassins shouldn´t have cc anyway. They have mobility and damage that´s enought for there purpose.

However I think the main reason they reverted the change is that assassins who can´t oneshot someone fast are worthless in a game with high sustain, healing, shielding, etc.

Khristophoros7/30/2018, 5:42:50 AM10 votes

I think both were equally unhealthy in different ways. The remake was really unhealthy because of how much it muddied counterplay with all its weird bullshit, yet at the same time players didn't enjoy playing her either. Now we're back to the original one that's just pure cancer to play against while giving the LB players their cheap instant kills all game.

The real problem is they didn't gut her numbers after her revert. This champ should not be viable tbh.

Blåbæret7/30/2018, 9:50:40 AM9 votes

LB is ten times more fair than Zed, Talon, Kha, Rengo or Kat. The champion takes actual risk and skill to play and has to combo, unlike the duskblade auto oneshot + one ability all AD assasins are using. Frustrating to face? Sure, but still better than any of the other cancer assassins. LB basically doesn't have wave clear either.

Marothennan7/30/2018, 11:10:56 AM6 votes

Ofc it was, she was reworked for a reason after all. Reverting her was just a lazy way of "fixing" her problems.

hi im mimic7/30/2018, 5:35:17 PM6 votes

There are a couple things about your comment that confuse me. For reference, I call the current state of LeBlanc "original" and the clunky version I call "rework".

First, the skill ceiling between the two versions of LeBlanc. You mention that the rework had I higher skill ceiling or was more complicated to play. I have to whole heartedly disagree with you on this point.

She theoretically had a more combos than ever before because of toggle ultimate, however, since her W did next to nothing in terms of damage it was used as primarily a gap closer or passive application. This limited what combos were viable, making her much easier imo.

Second is the age old excuse that I always see. Original leblanc just one shots everything! It's so easy!

Yes, when fed she can one shot any carry who has built 0 MR. But the same can be said for any assassin. I've seen Zed, Talon, Katarina all one shot people when they are fed out of their minds and the enemies fail to build any MR or Armour. Hell, I've even seen Wukong do the same thing and hes not even classified as an assassin.

But the other thing you mention is that she can just QRW people. She can...if people are that stupid to walk up in range of the combo. The only people I pull that off on are people who dont respect the damage or dont have vision of me. If someone is constantly dying to QRW then they dont understand how to play safely. You would also have to be pretty fed and killing someone with 0 MR as well. That's their problem, not a problem with the champion.

Hyquiem7/30/2018, 5:50:50 AM6 votes

Reworked Leblanc sucked to play after the nerfs. First you could abuse the waveclear mechanic but they even made that trash. Revert is nice and not broken. The fact she has low range gives you a lot of counter play

FilDaFunk7/30/2018, 12:49:50 PM5 votes

Delays are not counterplay. The new one felt like shit to play.

La Bello7/30/2018, 8:11:48 AM5 votes

its funny because Riots entire reasoning was that new R provided too much mobility in options specifically the fact that she had double dashes available as a get out of jail free card made her too frustrating to play against.

so why not REVERT THE ULTIMATE but keep everything else, delayed burst and all? it honestly made no sense to me and felt like a kneejerk attempt to satisfy /rLeblanc mains or some crap.

the most frustrating part is for me is that since LeBlanc already got attention is EXTREMELY likely that she wont be getting any more mini-reworks/VGU's until a 4 years from now same

DepressedTomoko7/30/2018, 10:23:32 PM4 votes

It's like you don't understand how to play back, shove, count cooldowns, or anything. If she really was like this, she'd been picked and banned 100% in every pro game already. Old LeBlanc was extremely unhealthy with gank immunity due to a free RW when as this LeBlanc has to have W up to use her ulti to W. You wonder why the reworked LeBlanc got gutted on her W damage while the original LeBlanc never did? Because she was broken and unbalanced. Riot didn't want to remove an assassin tribute from a champion, nor live with an overloaded reworked champ, so they reverted her.

Glory977/30/2018, 2:00:43 PM3 votes

The reworked lb is healthy on paper, but it can never work in a game where every range character, including the dps-champs can burst squishies in 0.5 sec. And when reworked lb was viable (right after the rework release), she was only viable because she had such an oppressive early game so that any somewhat decent lb player could easily snowball and be 10/0 at 15 mins. At that time as a midlaner you'd be dead instantly once she lands her e onto you, even if you have flash up.

KingBlackthorn17/30/2018, 5:45:49 PM3 votes

I don't think so. I literally never saw her played ever and still never see her ever.

Cunning Enigmah5/12/2019, 1:25:28 AM2 votes

"It literally only seems like people were complaining about her rework because it took more skill"

the 2.5 second proc was ruining her class as an assassin mage (which wasn't the point of the rework), 2.5 seconds is long enough to have her killed before being able to proc her passive, they didn't revert her for no reason at all, the rework turned her into a moving ward that doesn't do much in team fights even, she had no W damage and had to solemnly relay on a passive that's just not healthy for her class's kit, while I do miss her ult that can spawn a clone of hers, the problem was you cannot even control the mirror, which is 50% of how to play old leblanc, and players quickly began to catch up on who was the real leblanc

Leblanc has one of the hardest kits while being one of the mushiest champions in league, if she lands one wrong W she's dead, if she misses one E she'd lose over 50% of her kit's overall damage, which were her weaknesses, adding more skill for nothing that counterbalances her weaknesses (which was a hard thing to do for riot since she becomes completely overpowered if they buff her) only was a mistake that riot realized the hard way and reverted her back

Teridax687/30/2018, 1:06:00 PM2 votes

I think we're judging the rework by the wrong criteria here. Of course reverting LeBlanc wasn't going to turn her into an unhealthy champion, Old LB was notorious for having an incredibly unhealthy play pattern. The problem was that New LeBlanc wasn't meaningfully better: not only did she feel worse to play to the near-totality of LeBlanc players, she was also unhealthy in many different ways. In the early stages of the game, her chain could deal an obscene amount of damage and was excessively difficult to escape from, and later on, her ability to duplicate any ability at will, regardless of her previous spell order, meant she could play a kite mage without any real drawbacks, giving herself far too many escapes without impeding the major part of her damage output. Because this rework did not significantly improve LeBlanc, or really improve her that much at all, a revert was warranted. Does this mean that we'll stick with this version of LeBlanc forever? Likely not, she still has gameplay issues that her rework had set to fix. However, whichever form she'll take will likely be different from that of her rework, and in the meantime, her current state is what satisfies the greater number of players.

HZB7/30/2018, 4:53:11 PM2 votes

lel https://i.imgur.com/ARjHwtP.png

UF Dan7/30/2018, 6:05:58 PM2 votes

Old Leblanc was the clunkiest shit in the world. Using ult was so hard and the weird 180 second passive was completely out of place and at best was a little gimmicky. Old Leblanc also relied only on landing E for her passive damage. I get what her passive change was aimed at doing, but it had no place in her kit it did not synergize with her W or Q at all. Overall Reworked Leblanc was a extremely unhealthy for that champ in regards to gameplay. Leblanc right now, just like before rework leblanc, has always had the same exact solution in terms of counterplay. Build MR. Building Maw against this champ is the equivalent of deleting her off the game.

AR URF8/11/2018, 5:21:35 AM2 votes

I'll say this about reworked leblanc. Her passive made it so fun to clear minion waves and push lanes. Now it's just go to the person who's squishy or almost dead behind a tower and kill them.

DuskDaUmbreon7/30/2018, 7:39:29 PM1 votes

Pre-revert LB had her own set of issues, but I agree that it was probably healthier for the game overall.

There has to be some kind of balance between the two - Pre-revert's clunky delay and live's instaburst.

i cant move wtf7/30/2018, 11:56:11 PM1 votes

Nope. The rework was clunky, uninspired garbage that no one asked for. Most LB players were open to a rework but not some half-assed junk put together by a silver 2 player. How are you even talking about LB when new Akali has just been revealed?

PaffWasTaken7/31/2018, 5:17:28 AM1 votes

Pre-revert Leblanc was by far in her more balanced/manageable state that she ever was. Why they brought her back to the state that caused her to be changed at the first place is beyond me.

LegitBusinessman7/31/2018, 6:15:26 AM1 votes

If you can Q W someone you can win lane as LB. Her damage is ridiculous.

OgSc7/30/2018, 5:22:00 PM1 votes

Some champs have a kit that is hella volatile. If they have the damage numbers, the kits actually work, but by doing so, the kits end up hella strong. On the flipside, if these volatile kits dont have the damage numbers, then they fall flat. Imo, LeBlanc is one of those volatile champs that needs the damage numbers to even work right. At this point, I honestly feel Riot would need to completely change every single ability of hers or change some key abilities that would completly change how the champ acts (like aatrox), for the sake of actually making her kit less volatile. Cuz holy shit its either she gets the damage and everybody and their granny plays her, or she don't get shit and she gets the ryze treatment.

Velasan7/30/2018, 9:52:20 PM1 votes

Neither one works that well. If it makes you feel better current LB gets a headache from either Zed, Fizz, or anyone who can tank her combo and burst her back like Vlad or Swain.

I play Swain and you just E on top of her when she teleports and then she either has to eat your E when she jumps back or stay where she is and take Q's to the face. It's not pretty.