This seems....horribly dangerous. Diana is already a pain in the ass to deal with, and Evelynn would be a nightmare with this. It's bad enough that tanks have to itemize only to have the mage ignore their MR with Void Staff, but to have them itemize and have the entire enemy team ignore 45% of their maybe 200 MR? That's just awful.
Z Statistic16 votesDo people not read?
It takes EIGHT seconds to get to 3 stacks assuming it doesn't tick without a viable target. And we don't know what the radius is. Even though Amumu can get a lot of use out of it, you can still burst down the enemy.
The Yetii Rider5 votesDo people not read?
It takes EIGHT seconds to get to 3 stacks assuming it doesn't tick without a viable target. And we don't know what the radius is. Even though Amumu can get a lot of use out of it, you can still burst down the enemy.
Eight seconds is not that long for Maokai, Amumu or Sejuani. If it was, Riot wouldn't have made Maokai's ultimate last at max 10 seconds.
GroundRuleDouble1 votesThis item is made for Cinderhulk tanks.
Z Statistic5 votesOh I'm not saying it's useless.
I'm saying it has virtually no value at the beginning of a fight and to use that to your advantage. Even if Maokai has it, Leblanc isn't going to get the full benefit from it unless she waits 8-12 seconds, and that's assuming the tank is debuffing her prime target. Waiting around for the debuff to stack is not always an option, and 100-0 people before the debuff stacks makes the debuff more or less useless.
I imagine this item will be much more useful for help Anivia, Azir, and Malz as opposed to Ahri, Leblanc, and Akali, which makes the item much less ubiquitous than people are afraid.
ProfDrDeath3 votesThe danger is not particularily in a single person getting the item - but rather, it lies in comps where two or three champions get it. Because the nature of the thing being a stacking debuff means that it would get a stack from everyone with the item (if it works like Black Cleaver).
Additionally, it is still strong as its own counter - as an item, Abyssal gives MR and a bit of HP, while shredding the enemy's MR (making health more valuable) and doing magic damage (making MR desirable).
EDIT: I also thing that the current MR values are not nearly high enough to accomodate so much shred potential - MR already feels quite useless and tedious to build with only Sorcerer's and Void Staff. With an extra 45% shred, all MR values would need to be boosted to at least the levels of the Armor items.
RiotRiot Reinboom6 votesThe 45% isn't staying. It's an extreme case and it doesn't occur often enough to warrant the danger of its effect.
Multiple pulse Abyssals also do not simply stack. The new Abyssal effect is locked to game time and you can't get multiple shreds in the same tick. Basically, multiple Abyssals makes applying stacks more consistent but doesn't increase the total rate that application occurs.
Byakuya Kuchiki1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Reinboom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hVavr7yj,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2015-05-14T18:30:05.854+0000)
The 45% isn't staying. It's an extreme case and it doesn't occur often enough to warrant the danger of its effect.
Multiple pulse Abyssals also do not simply stack. The new Abyssal effect is locked to game time and you can't get multiple shreds in the same tick. Basically, multiple Abyssals makes applying stacks more consistent but doesn't increase the total rate that application occurs.
since youre a rioter i figured you would know for sure, is [email protected] a reliable source for the pbe changes? and is there a riot official one i can look at without needing a pbe acount?
Jeddy0175 votesDude,Surrender At 20 is the go to place for info on PBE.Riot even recently had an interview with one of it's operators.You can always trust S@20. And no,there is no Riot official site.
Chromatic Eagle1 votesThey always explain to people that pbe is a place with experimental changes and to not freak out due to not having context on the changes.
Garlyle Wilds1 votesS@20 is reliable.
HOWEVER, S@20 can only really post what's actually ended up on PBE. If there's already things that Riot plans to change, then the only way S@20 knows it is if a rioter says so - and frequently things do change on PBE. There's a stressing in every single PBE related post that all content and changes are subject to change.
So while you can know what's on the PBE via S@20, keep in mind the PBE is frequently used experimentally and in constant flux. It's a testing environment, not a live release.
The Yetii Rider1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Reinboom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hVavr7yj,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2015-05-14T18:30:05.854+0000)
The 45% isn't staying. It's an extreme case and it doesn't occur often enough to warrant the danger of its effect.
Multiple pulse Abyssals also do not simply stack. The new Abyssal effect is locked to game time and you can't get multiple shreds in the same tick. Basically, multiple Abyssals makes applying stacks more consistent but doesn't increase the total rate that application occurs.
Are you not worried that this item will become must-buy on tank supports, who already have innate survivability in their kit and neither need to worry about it having too low AP nor it being not tanky enough? I mean, if Annie has a Void Staff and her Leona support has Abyssal Scepter, this could bring about a brand new "protect the APC" meta. Is there any concern about that? I thought aura items were being phased out of the game for that very reason?
Mandang01 votesWhy is Riot so cautious about the stacking? Abyssal is currently a 20 flat MR reduction that applies immediately and no one buys it. This new Abyssal will make champs with cooldown-gated damage wait to see the %MR reduction stack to a comparable amount (only at 100 MR is 20% breaking even to 20 flat).
As far as the multiple Abyssal interaction - why isn't this restriction applied to Black Cleaver? How does Riot look at AP vs AD %reduction?
Vreivai1 votesWhy is Riot so cautious about the stacking? Abyssal is currently a 20 flat MR reduction that applies immediately and no one buys it. This new Abyssal will make champs with cooldown-gated damage wait to see the %MR reduction stack to a comparable amount (only at 100 MR is 20% breaking even to 20 flat).
As far as the multiple Abyssal interaction - why isn't this restriction applied to Black Cleaver? How does Riot look at AP vs AD %reduction?
2 reasons I'm guessing: Armor is a lot easier to come by than MR, and it's pulsing AoE vs. a requirement to be actively attacking the target.
Mandang01 votesWell, I honestly think the pulsing AOE is weaker than the attacking requirement. The right champs can full stack black cleaver in an aoe with only 1 skill, and there are AP champs who could do the same if new Abyssal worked that way. This pulsing (and not stacking) is just a requirement you can't get around in the same way.
Terff4 votes
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Rinky Dinky1 votesI must say Liandries is pretty awful on mordekaiser
Widder884 votesI hate this change. It is bad for assassins like Diana, Evelynn, Katarina, Akali, but good for Amumu, Sejuani, which have already 55% win rate. Are AP-Hybrid Assassins now supposed to build Mercurial Scimitar? There is no other MR item.
Abyssal was against Squishys and Void staff against tanks. Now Abysall is aganst tanks too (stupid!) but only if you are a tank yourself. All these item changes suck hard.
Desiderium2 votesIt's over time. It also gives only 30 AP meaning no one but AP bruisers (Shen, Rumble, possibly Nunu) are ever going to bother to get it. You'll never see it on Syndra or Leblanc.
Toothless Lion1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kinky Ninja Boy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hVavr7yj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-05-13T19:21:15.266+0000)
It's over time. It also gives only 30 AP meaning no one but AP bruisers (Shen, Rumble, possibly Nunu) are ever going to bother to get it. You'll never see it on Syndra or Leblanc.
You're forgetting Sej and Amumu. It's a huge buff to them and they're already broken.
Vistha Kai2 votesI don't think Diana will have much use of it. Unless you go with this off-build bruiser Diana nobody does anymore.
SmokinSickStyle2 votesThis is wrong, if this gets through i'm going to stop building MR the moment i see someone with such an item.
MR is already vastly inferior to armor, it's much harder to acquire, every single non melee doesn't get mr\lvl and few tanks like shen and mao don't get mr despite being melee, MR items are so crappy and fewer if compared to armor ones, i mean nowadays the only good one is banshee and mercurial, and they are bought just for specific attributes those items give with a lesser interest for mr.
It's even worse that the entire team makes use of it.
Rand0mH3r0X2 votesArmor is so inexpensive. Clotch armor 300 for 10 armor. Magic resist is expensive, and most champions don't even get mr per level. Why are they buffing misc magic damage. :/
Mooing Kev2 votesIf a tank gets this item the mage is gonna be doing near true damage with void staff,even to enemy tanks. I think 2 pulses wud be more reasonable so it would be at the level of BC. Or make it 3 pulses with 10pct reduction each.
Davy Crockett2 votesNow to have a new Ryze build with E+New Abyssal Scepeter+ Voidstaff. Definitely will shred/ignore more than 45% MR.
LoLKiru1 votesTheres very few people you'll likely see it on
Those 3 come to mind off the top of my head, especially who loves long fights (it also gives him all the stats he could want, except for mana)
As the other poster said, on most people Void Staff will still be a better choice for shredding high amounts of MR
Vreivai1 votesTheres very few people you'll likely see it on
Those 3 come to mind off the top of my head, especially
As the other poster said, on most people Void Staff will still be a better choice for shredding high amounts of MR
The Yetii Rider1 votesBut unlike Black Cleaver, this simply requires you to be in the fight. It's an aura item, I thought Riot hated those? Put this on a Leona or a Braum and watch as the Void Staff combines with the CC lock down MR shred.
GroundRuleDouble1 votesI would probably buy this on Thresh. I'm actually excited about this. And it will be a core item on Amumu and Sejuani.
LoLKiru1 votesBut unlike Black Cleaver, this simply requires you to be in the fight. It's an aura item, I thought Riot hated those? Put this on a Leona or a Braum and watch as the Void Staff combines with the CC lock down MR shred.
Didn't think of that, I'm not really sure how efficient it would be on those champions (as opposed to items they want to buy I mean). its effect collectively with void staff would give whoever was attacking (with void staff) 64% mpen roughly, plus runes and masteries.
I could see it maybe being an item to buy (outside the specific champions who really like it) on teams that are really stacking tons of MR.
The Yetii Rider1 votesIt deals damage in waves. Damage over time. The longer you are in the fight, the more damage it deals. Sounds like a much better version of Sunfire for champions who already have innate tankiness in their kit like Braum, Alistar and Leona.
Danyul Targaryen1 votesWHat are u talking about what item is it a new one
DrCyanide1 votes rework on the PBE right now
Danyul Targaryen1 votes
Thankyou sweet child
GroundRuleDouble1 votesAbyssal Scepter rework
Focus Teemo1 votesPeople always seem to forget ...
Juggernaut N1 votesNot only will tank junglers be building this but it will also actually be core on supports.
Tormyth1 votesfiddlesticks, that shred works wonderfully with your passive, delicious.
BluePolarizer1 votes 
1v5 gg boys.
Hard4Hamsters1 votesWhy Rylai's?
BluePolarizer1 votesCheap HP/AP I guess.
Hard4Hamsters1 votesit's not that cheap lol. :P I dunno. I don't like Zhonya's on him either. I would go Sunfire and Deathcap if I wanted similar stats.
Declined1 votesGuys I got no idea what's going on here, what the hell are you guys talking about, and where can I read up on it?
The Bearded Bard1 votesGonna be an awful item for assassins and burst mages. The pulse only happens every 4 seconds, so those that can get their damage off before that happens would be wasting gold and an item slot. It's for tanks and those that thrive in long fights like 
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Personally I'm on the fence about it, as one of my mains is , and he's already a great champion. This might put him over the top and make him more popular.
The Ellimiist1 votesThis is why I largely ignore PBE changes until closer to a new patch.
kaykalos1 votesUNIQUE PASSIVE VOID pls. Imagine swain late game merc road abysal zony void thornmail, also thornmail will be a viable option for magic damage tanks only gg
Aoe armor/mr shreds by tanks and protect the carries . Too hostile environment for melee sustain dps champions