I can't think of a reason why not. Standardize the Shaco box HP at always 3 hit ( or like teemo shroom always 3 for ranged and 2 for melee) instead of the cheesy 5 hits at level 1 and isntant kill after some point through the game and from then on for the rest of the game which makes them worthless. I've also heard that they dont proc frost queens which doesn't make sense. Shaco's boxes need some touch up.
Saianna37 votesShacos box is the most outdated "minion" ability.
I'm afraid that if Riot were to touch it right now, they'd nerf it heavily..
Remlap12238 votesGood.
Heckin Support7 votes#Nvr4GetApShaco
Arkhan2 votesI love you. I miss him.
GrReaper962 votesJokes on you he's still viable in all other modes besides SR
bill841 votesI will always remember getting raped by him in dominion. I wish we still had dominion :'(
Valhalla Rising11 votesI agree I hate my boxes getting instagibbed mid-late game.
Also it should apply 
like the rest of the traps in this game..
DrProfVibeCheck7 votesI thought you wanted his Boxes to bounce on each other.
Shac Norris6 votes3 would be too strong when stacked on top of each others, 2 hits for everyone would be perfect in my opinion.
But they won't do it. Because RIOT doesn't care. I've made this thread so many times, and it was always ignored by RIOT, so yours will be ignored too.
That's how it is.. it sucks to actually like playing AP Shaco. (liked him to the point of getting 300k mastery playing only AP, and changing my name to Shac Norris because of how i liked playing him.
Also, they don't proc FQC or ANY damaging passive at all (thunderlord's and deathfire touch included). They do proc spellvamp and Rylais but spellvamp is getting removed from the game soon though.
There's also the issue with the red trinket disabling them for 10 seconds, which makes no sense at all considering how RIOT said that they didn't like it when a champion's kit can be countered by a single item (QSS and Zed). They didn't even answer my thread when it was at the top of the boards. (once again)
Anyway, good luck, even if i already know the outcome of this thread.
It Hertz When IP10 votesExcept Shaco doesn't (as far as I understand) depend on them for a primary source of damage. Most AP Shacos I see use Two-Shiv throws and exploding clones; the boxes late-game seem to just be their way of triggering Lich Bane.
duck077477 voteswell yes for AP shacos two-shiv (E) is a great source of damage, however we prefer our jack in the box, thats where our more securable kills are. As AP shaco your only real damage is q+lich, e and clones which are avoidable if you're playing anyone above low silver. So in order to really secure a kill jack in the box is a huge source of damage for AP shaco. E is more of just some burst/execute damage every 8 seconds.
It Hertz When IP2 votesAh. I stand corrected. Maybe this is why I suck at Shaco so much.
PeponiPoro1 votesA targeted ability is avoidable when you are above silver? Damn...
duck077474 votestechnically it is with fizz e, vlad w, zhonyas, etc. ;D but i was talking about the clone not the E being avoidable :P
PeponiPoro2 votesI know, I'm being a smart ass. Sorry.
jmaishere1 votes[{quoted}](name=Darien Juranas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hUqMhMti,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-04-30T19:52:10.787+0000)
Except Shaco doesn't (as far as I understand) depend on them for a primary source of damage. Most AP Shacos I see use Two-Shiv throws and exploding clones; the boxes late-game seem to just be their way of triggering Lich Bane.
that's partly because a tryndamere E can instantly kill the rank 5 box without it even doing damage. That being said, it takes some time to setup, so it's not consistent damage as the boxes don't proc luden's
McKeifus3 votesGive Heimer that treatment, too. This one shot turrets shit is getting old.
Spacesuit Spiff3 votesIssue is that he uses them for jungling so it'd be hard to normalize them for that. Do little chickens pop them instantly or not scratch them at all?
F032 votesCan shack box proc rylais?
Shac Norris2 votesYes, they dont proc any damaging passive though.
They also proc spellvamp, but its getting removed from the game soon.
ModKnightsKemplar2 votesIt's not. Spellvamp will still be in masteries, for instance.
Shac Norris1 votesSo i'll be able to get 15% spellvamp from a mastery?
I call bullshit on that one my friend..
ModKnightsKemplar1 votesLol, didn't say anything about the magnitude. It's just factually false to say it's getting removed from the game, because it isn't. It won't be nearly the same factor it used to be, but it will still be in the code.
LichKing2341 voteswell its not getting removed but 
is i dont understand why its getting the boot like with Zephyer it got removed and they still didnt tell us why. i mean spell vamp wills till be in the game and you can still get alot of it if you get 
ModKnightsKemplar1 votesThat's actually not technically spell vamp on .
But they have good reasons to get rid of those things. Zephyr and spellvamp aren't used very much in the game, except in niche cases. By getting rid of them, Riot is able to open up the design space much better and hone game balance. It's a good decision overall.
I get that people's builds are being affected, and that can be upsetting. But it should lead to better balance in the future. It isn't random.
LichKing2341 voteswell it still heals on dmg dealt auto attacks for life steal with spell vamp on abilities. so its kind of a mix but still its the only item thats going to give you some form of spell vamp since is going to be gone (still dont understand why) while yeah spell vamp really wasnt useful expect on certain champs
, 
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, 
mostly built the item
plus look at Athens implairer it was a tank item with it gave crit to tanks based on their max health it was a pretty good item (for ad tanks i know the item was almost useless on an ap tank) but the item was flexible with builds (again for ad tanks) well the item would be broken as all hell back when mundo got his little buff to E.
ok but lets look at 
almost no one builds it and those that do sometimes forget its there i mean yeah its an item thats made for winning more but its not an any champs recommended so why remove will but not ohm heck even ZZ portal wasnt even good till this season last season it was an ok item but you rarely saw it now this season its rare that you dont see it.
not saying your wrong or anything jsut saying there are alot of niche items here and there.
ModKnightsKemplar1 votesBut there aren't a lot of niche items that ruin balance. They don't need to remove Ohmwrecker, because it isn't hurting anyone. The same cannot be said of spellvamp. It was really hurting the balance on champs like Vlad and Akali.
That's the point I'm trying to make. It isn't random. They are pulling out items that are hurting the game. Atma's is a great example of this. Ohmwrecker is not.
Spellvamp is going because of game balance. It's hurting balance on many champs.
LichKing2341 votesZephyer wasnt hurtting anyone and it was removed i guess the 35% tenchicty broken alot of champs ( 
, 
(troll mundo), 
) and with mercy treds you basicly got 65% tenchity for very effect gold efficient but heres the thing almost no one used the item plus the stats where all over the place. think about it Ohm when used correctly can win you a tower and mostly an ace or a close one its a do or die item and with the meta we are in now im surpised its not a must have along with ZZ (although ZZ is very popular).
same with Rageblade it was a nitch item till they buffed the ever living fuck out of it and now with the mage update they had to rework the item since they over buffed it and made alot of champs strong and with sated it was a trainwreak.
yeah i mean i get what your saying like well we cant buff these champs do to this item making them extremely broken.
Robert Smith2 votesRiot said Shaco is full of spaghetti code and if they work on him they need to do a full update or risk breaking him. Not sure but that is what i remember them saying about him
Axis the Dragon4 votesThey said they'd probably look at him during the assassin update, which comes after the mage one iirc
alfavhunter1 votesShaco box change
Damage and CD unchanged
Boxes now have an effective HP of 5 hits
They take 1 damage from minion and small monsters
Single target spells deal and melee AAs do 3 damage to them, aoe spells, ranged AAs a d large monsters do 2 damage
Epic monsters (dragon, baron, rift herald) deal 4 damage to them (will still result in 2 AAs from dragon and rift H, but because of barons aoe damage as well they can die faster)
Shaco boxes are now on a charge system with a 15 second CD recharge, holding up to 3
Boxes duration now deteriorate faster if shaco is not nearby (double the decay speed, ~30 second duration)
Shac Norris3 votes''1 dmg from minion and small monsters''
LOL, way to kill the only way AP Shaco has to CS.
alfavhunter1 votes[{quoted}](name=Shac Norris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hUqMhMti,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2016-04-30T22:48:59.063+0000)
''1 dmg from minion and small monsters''
LOL, way to kill the only way AP Shaco has to CS.
From. Not to
Meaning it takes 5 minion attacks to kill it, which isn't a huge change, it still does its full damage to minions
I did forget super minions though, those would deal 3 damage as well counting as large monsters
Akeydel1 votesThat would actually be a (reasonable) buff, it would take blue buff 2 hits to kill them, like dragon, instead of the 1 that it is currently.
alfavhunter2 votesThat would actually be a (reasonable) buff, it would take blue buff 2 hits to kill them, like dragon, instead of the 1 that it is currently.
Blue buff plus it's small minions would still kill it in one go because it's 3+1+1=5 (assuming small monsters deal 1 damage to them like minions)
OyddAWqJ5r1 votesYknow i never thought about it. Why do his boxes shoot lasers?
Akeydel2 votesOkay if we're going to question any game logic, this is a weird one to start on.
Why is 
's plane so incredibly slow, and unable to fly over landscape?
Axis the Dragon2 votesWell technically it can fly over landscape,it just needs to use its booster rockets that need to be recharged every 10 ish seconds =P
OyddAWqJ5r1 votesBut Corkis plane is a plane so it at least makes sense that it flies regardless of speed. Shaco boxes have no way to shoot lasers and yet... lasers.
bill841 votesBut flies don't fly if they are going too slow...
OyddAWqJ5r1 votesBut flies can fly if it flies fast enough. A fly however cannot shoot lasers no matter how hard it tries.
bill841 votesI just realized that i said flies instead of airplanes. I feel really dumb.
Downfall1 votesThey're knives. The boxes throw knives.
OyddAWqJ5r1 votes...how? They're so accurate too!
Downfall1 votesThey're accurate because they're lasers.
OyddAWqJ5r1 votesI hate you
OK
