I just realised sommething about Shen and Kog'maw

TheOvermind·1/22/2017, 3:25:25 PM·44 votes·3,873 views

Shen's EMPOWERED Q( when u drag the sword through ppl) does 3 autos worth of 6% max hp in magic dmg. meanwhile Kog'Maw W gets unlimited autos worth of 7% max HP magic dmg.

and then you wonder why Shen is trash in soloQ ( 47% WR) or why kog'maw is building tank. ( also 55% WR; highest of all ADCs)

Now before you jump on me with the " Shen is a tank and Kog is an AD carry he should be doing more damage" card. you need to understand that we are talking about base damages here. damage your champion carries around without any items to scale it. Base damages is what tanks should have plenty of and AD carries shouldn't have much of. This way they are forced to build damage to make it scale.

I recommend you revert the last round of kogmaw buffs and instead give him back the no mana cost W everyone asked for when you reverted his rework instead of the stupid W base dmg buffs he got.

As for Shen , keep staple Q at 4% max HP, but reward him for a better empowered Q when he earns it with 8% max HP instead of the measly 6.

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NodirjonSattarov1/22/2017, 5:10:30 PM27 votes

http://lolalytics.com/champion/KogMaw/ADC/ 52% win rate with a 1.26% play rate http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/kogmaw 51.4% win rate with a 1.4% play rate http://na.op.gg/champion/kogmaw/statistics/adc 52% win rate with a 1.29% play rate

these are plat+ higher. so you just dumping misleading data from a website well known for taking rather small sample within the first 3 days is misleading others. On champion.gg that 55% win rate is from a .9% play rate in plat+. on op.gg from champion statistics from the last 7 days in plat+ Kog'Maw has been played less than 5k times.

five oh tree 1/23/2017, 12:41:57 AM13 votes

I just realized something

kog'maw and shen are different champions

Little Paws1/22/2017, 9:18:48 PM8 votes

Interesting. It's been awhile since I've seen someone say kog was too strong in any context

Rebonack1/22/2017, 8:27:33 PM7 votes

It really shouldn't be too shocking that a champ who brings only damage and more damage to the table will be dealing more damage than a Warden with global pressure.

Think of it this way. Kog is the closest thing in the game to a ranged Juggernaut (high base damage, high sustained damage, no hard CC no mobility). Would you complain that Garen does more damage than Shen? Or that Darius does more damage than Shen? No? Then where is the sense in complaining that Kog deals more damage than Shen?

MattiasNeeson1/22/2017, 11:42:14 PM5 votes

the bronzest of arguments i think i've ever heard rofl

General Esdeath 1/23/2017, 1:18:04 AM5 votes

Zed has more base HP than Shen and at level 18 Shen only has 50 more base HP than Zed.

Shen just sucks overall

Asayake 5150glow1/22/2017, 6:07:22 PM3 votes

Shen still chunks squishies, and even with these low numbers, he's still a decent duelist before lvl 6. And even after that, he does a decent amount.

SweedishGunner1/22/2017, 6:21:44 PM2 votes

Shen is picking up bans and plenty of play in the pro scene.

Seems to be okay if you put in the time. I still don't like him though.