Kircheis Shard is kinda worthless

SlashStriker··1 votes·760 views

item 2015 I haven't seen anyone build this item or I haven't seen any tips and tricks with it. I think its kinda worthless to build it and IMO cost way too much

I think it should get new passive or big price reduction from 750 to 550 or something like it. Also why would it not benefit vs Jungler monsters? Currently it does 40 damage at 100 stacks but i think it should do 120 damage to monsters and minions. I think at least this way it be somehow more useful. The way i see it is that it should not deal too much damage vs champion but at the same time i don't see what is even the point of getting it.

I am building Statikk shiv on Yi Every game but i cannot benefit from Shard at all in any way. Its way too expansive and is not worth getting Shard before Zeal. Like i said no one ever shown any tips and tricks with it. But i think its should benefit vs jungle monsters a bit more or at least replace the current passive with new one like you did to Serrated Dirk

Some people would say - BUT HOLY SHIET DOOD THE COST EFFICIENCY!!!! it might be the most cost efficient item in the game but if it doesn't have any usefulness or any power efficiency what the point of getting the item at the 1st place?

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CancerBasedGod2 votes

It's purpose is to be built into static or rapid fire cannon. Don't build it otherwise.

SlashStriker1 votes

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It's purpose is to be built into static or rapid fire cannon. Don't build it otherwise.

this is exactly the major problem with it. You can get item 3134 and benefit from it with movement speed but getting Shard is not worthy and for me this is big problem

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

I use it when i'm building to kill minions and poke on occasion. 40 magic damage is pretty much guaranteed cs if you aren't stupid.

SlashStriker1 votes

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I use it when i'm building to kill minions and poke on occasion. 40 magic damage is pretty much guaranteed cs if you aren't stupid.

you mean you will build Shard before Zeal?

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

depends

If I already have another crit item I will get zeal

If I don't have another crit item and/or just don't expect to get more than one autoattack off at a time I will get shard.

Shard lets you deal significant extra damage but not much, it also gives you more damage if they have heavy armor than a critical strike would

Keep in mind also that you should be stacking onhit with other onhit. Like when you play Quinn or Ashe

on MasterYi I would probably always go zeal first because he's melee and gets more damage out of the movespeed buff than he would the occasional onhit unless he's already got like 2.5 attack speed + boots. In some cases on melee champs item 3111 will give you more damage than item 3031 as they require a greater variety of stats to succeed where ranged can just focus on a few to do so.

item 2015 gives exactly one stat and some bonus off-damage on occasion. Not always better but more easily abused by safer champs (probably not melee)

item 3086 gives a small amount of 3 different stats as opposed to 1. Almost universally better for melee champs

given the item types, even if you look outside of league the item that gives the greater variety of stats will typically be the better choice for melee unless they are a full blown gimmicky assassin or tank and even then they will typically want variety over cheese bonuses

SlashStriker1 votes

item 2015 Shard can be very viable option for junglers that want to build Statikk, which as it can improve your jungle clear speed but right now the Shard is pointless cause its way too weak

Only people who never build / deal REAL damage this item is really strong for them. But if I tell you that my build on Yi deals 1.2k damage on crit with 70% crit chance what would you think?

You still did not explain how is the item useful any way. The damage from it is non existent and if you build it you wont get any noticeable damage.

If the item is not suppose to deal damage to champions they at least should make it deal more noticeable damage to minions and monsters and then and only then it would be more significant and useful in any way

and if i am assassins or ANY Champion at ANY TIME that needs more damage i would definitely not get this item 2015 for extra damage EVER. I would ALWAYS get Zeal before Shard cause the item is absolutely useless right now

And remember this game is suppose to be about choices. There is no viable reason you get that item 2015 because everything else is better than it

For instance should i first get CC or extra damage? item 3144 vs item 1043. Now thats actual choice

item 2015 vs item 3086 is no choice. Zeal always wins

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

I did explain, ill do it in different and more direct words this time so the explanation doesn't get lost

item 3086 is a stat item and stats give you damage. It costs 1300g which is as much as a item 1038 and a bit more than a item 1058 . On melee champs 9 times out of 10 you will want this first. and that's just being generous and assuming there is some melee champ that gets more use out of the other one.

item 2015 is a 750g onhit item, it doesn't give many stats. Just one in fact. However for farming minions this item is superior to zeal in terms of cost effieciency and effect. This is a farming item, not a jungling item. It would be the better jungling item if crits were actually RNG but they aren't.

25% crit chance means 25% more damage over time, no chance, not 24% not 26% it will absolutely be 1 crit per 4 autos because the game was designed to do this. Against a target that doesn't runaway, cc you, or fight back hard enough that it matters you are better off with zeal.

Shard is good for 2 reasons, one it helps you farm, 2 its cost effective.

If you really want to compare the two lets actually spend the same amount of gold and see where it takes us

item 3086 1300g, great if youre just hitting monsters but realistically you wont want this against minions. Going faster isn't going to help you much, attack speed without damage isn't going to improve your last hitting, maybe this will matter if you always crit but what if you aren't playing yasuo who is melee and follows my build this on melees rule anyways?

item 2015 750g. I could get a item 1036 and 5x item 2003 and still be 50g underbudget. Everytime the charge is up I can hit a minion ONE time because I have to actually deal with wave control unlike a jungler. Because I use this instead of hitting minions multiple times using zeal because the crit didn't go off when I needed it to or because I DID crit and now I've dealt too much a minion under tower I am not going to be worried about master yi and his zeal or whatever. Because I have better control and my csing is on point. Occasionally I may use this for poke, I don't expect to get many hits in. What good is zeal if you attack only once and don't crit? It does almost nothing in that case, you save .01 seconds on your single shot harass and lose out on much cheaper onhit offdamage.

item 2015 is not a stat or damage item, it is a utility item

item 3086 is a damage and stat item

SlashStriker1 votes

for 1 i never saw anyone buying this item item 2015 2. Zeal does not change the way you last hit stuff if you last hitting them. If you last hit it doesn't matter how much crit chance you got because you are LAST HITTING 3. seriously if you want to last hit you need that item item 2015 over this item 2x item 1036 ?

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

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for 1 i never saw anyone buying this item item 2015

ok?

  1. Zeal does not change the way you last hit stuff if you last hitting them. If you last hit it doesn't matter how much crit chance you got because you are LAST HITTING

the game isn't going to leave the minion at 1 hp for you. If you want to last hit you need damage and building more AD isn't always optimal

  1. seriously if you want to last hit you need that item item 2015 over this item 2x item 1036 ?

long sword doesn't build into statik shiv or give you attack speed.

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