Shen was disabled in LCS because of a 1/1000th chance of ult fail..

InSingedWeTrust·Apr 8, 2015·188 votes·7,345 views

Meanwhile Nidalee's invisible spears are happening on multiple occasions in LCS games, with no fix in sight.

80 Comments

VisigothApr 8, 201548 votes

Come one, it's not like Nidalee's spears are on low ass cooldowns, are invis way more often than Shen's ult glitches, and give her an execute and ridiculous dash. Oh wait.

Ariel the CruelApr 8, 20153 votes

The invisible projectile bug isn't exclusive to Nidalee.

LeeDarkApr 8, 20152 votes

Yes, but the method to reproduce invisible projectiles, which I will not repeat completely here, is more likely to happen to Nidalee by accident, because her combo off of spearing someone involves auto-attacking them.

Ariel the CruelApr 8, 20152 votes

My point is, it's not effective to disable Nidalee for a rare bug that affects multiple champions. And the AA exploit is only one (Very recent) way to replicate this bug. It's already confirmed to not be the only cause.

So if they disable Nidalee for her invisible spears, then they'll have to disable other champs too (Ezreal Q and Mundo cleavers also experience the rare invisibility). And those champs can conceivably be disables for a very long time, since this bug(s) have been around for multiple seasons already.

OperationDEEZ1Apr 8, 20154 votes

I've only seen invisible spears, and the longer nidalee is disabled the better XD

MrRadoApr 10, 20151 votes

In a game not too long ago I was throwing invisible Nami bubbles.

JamnonApr 8, 20152 votes

Firstly, balance decisions are never made purely based on effectiveness. Although disabling prevents the bug in games, it does not fix or stop the bug and is therefore ineffective in this regard. If effectiveness were the motivation, it would be more effective to just fix the bug.

It should be noted that staff fixed the bug by coding, not by disabling Shen.

Secondly, even if they were to disable X number of champs, there are 124 (?) champs on the roster. This would only be a concern if it affected every champ on the roster. It does not.

ParessApr 8, 201516 votes

I wonder how Riots react when there is a bug like that in competition.

Rioter 1 : Oh ! look at that bug ! We have to fix it ! Rioter 2 : We didn't see.

OrbvApr 8, 201513 votes

They do something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1oLBJR7_o

Robins TightsApr 8, 201511 votes

"Costly error there"

What? The pillar literally knocked him up and back down 800 units away lol

Urdnot EntarApr 8, 20159 votes

Or this (at 15:07 in the video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWaRmFDhs2g#t=15m07s I guess they instruct their commentators to do anything to avoid acknowledging a bug in the game, just like their QA team. :(

Robins TightsApr 8, 20155 votes

Okay, THAT was awkward.

I guess NA is more obvious about their surprises lol

Kochiya SanaeApr 8, 201515 votes

I think the bigger issue here is that they didn't bother fixing anything until sht happens in the lcs

Prestige EveApr 8, 20159 votes

Nidalee's invisible spear glitch also has an exploit that let's you produce invisible spears at will.

Ace Access Apr 8, 20154 votes

so why is nid not disabled again ? ................................................................

EyrgosApr 8, 20153 votes

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so why is nid not disabled again ? ................................................................

Riot's bad excuse was that it wasn't occurring frequently enough across all accounts...

My retort was "you can't just look at this across all accounts... what about the accounts where it's happening nigh-consistently or those who know how to reproduce it & exploit it to cheat in ranked?"

Their reply, silence.

Pathetic, Riot.

Ariel the CruelApr 8, 20154 votes

They've been pretty good about getting invisible projectile fixes out when they're found. The problem is that the root cause still hasn't been identified. The bug has been "fixed" many times already. It always manages to come back.

AMYS GRAVEApr 8, 20155 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/WwUYhOLJ-game-100-reproducible-invisible-nidalee-javelins-exploit?comment=0001

i think it's pretty well understood, after seeing a video of it and knowing that it is easily reproduceable means this is easily debugable.

Ariel the CruelApr 8, 20153 votes

That specific exploit was identified less than a weak ago. And it's already confirmed to not be the only cause.

I trust Riot will have that fixed by the next patch, if not sooner. But even then, we will still have invisible projectiles outside that exploit because other [unidentified] things are causing it them.

AMYS GRAVEApr 9, 20155 votes

If the causes are unidentified then how do you know there are multiple causes? Until this is fixed we can't know unless you have evidence to the contrary.

Still, this is known about so why isn't she disabled?

StillnameApr 9, 20153 votes

Because it has been a bug for years. If they disabled her till it was fully fixed there just wouldn't be a nid... not saying it wouldn't be an improvement...

ThryaleApr 8, 20156 votes

I'm sure riot would love to hear about it. Seriously, anything that allows for easy reproduction of the glitch will aid them in finding it in the code and fixing it.

GundayMondayApr 8, 20153 votes

There have been multiple posts in the report a bug forums showing how to do this. They know.

ThryaleApr 8, 20152 votes

they know it's an issue, yes. But I haven't seen anyone tell them exactly how to replicate the issue with 100% accuracy.

GundayMondayApr 8, 20153 votes

Yeah, on the bug forums. There are a few videos of people doing it. You spam auto attack cancels so that your auto attack projectile is mid air when you cancel, and then quickly throw the Spear. Tricky to do, but anything can be replicated with enough practice.

manbearswineApr 8, 20154 votes

They are consistently inconsistent.

If a shen ult doesn't go off,it can easily lose the game,if a nidalee spear goes invisible and wins it,who cares,if not this one then the one after it.

EmbertineApr 8, 20154 votes

The only time Riot fixed bug that involved nidelees spears was back when she could throw them at one specific spot on the map, and as long as the spear shot ended on that one tiny spot and there was an enemy Irelia playing, then that Irelia would always die instantly no matter where it was on the map she happened to be. That is literally the only bug regarding Nidelee's spears that Riot fixed.

ZéychinApr 8, 20154 votes

But, wouldn't that be an Irelia buff? IS RIOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT?

Ariel the CruelApr 8, 20152 votes

There have been other ways identified in the past to exploit the invisible projectile bug(s). One was if you threw a spear the moment you enter a bush, it would become invisible. There's was also one where if you threw it from the distance based fog-of-war, it would be invisible to anyone who couldn't see Nidalee when it was thrown. The big thing to note here is that these exploits didn't affect only Nidalee. The same is true of the newest one [discovered]. There are a handful of skill shots in the game that can become invisible. Mundo cleavers and Ezreal Q's are ones that I've seen; someone in a different topic mentioned experiencing an invisible Lux binding once.

Insta-killing Irelia is a very specific scenario with a very specific interaction, which makes finding the cause a lot easier. Invisible projectiles occur on every map, on multiple champions, at seemingly complete random.

Sky ShadowApr 8, 20153 votes

The chances are much lower than 1,000 my friend.

I've played Shen (Give or take) a little under 50 times. And out of those 50, his ult has glitched/failed about 2-3 times.

Granted it is rare; I can still see why they don't take the risk, especially in such high risk games.

I ran into the invisible Nidalee spears for the first time last night (Someone took her support on the enemy team and I play bot late 90%of the time) and in my opinion, it wasn't that bad. I don't know what you guys have your graphical settings at, but you can still see where they would be. They still had the reddish trail/aura on my screen, just the spear model was invisible.

Still, both needs to be fixed.

BeatzBoyFTWApr 9, 20153 votes

I love how all Rioters just ignores this thread cz hoping to see more invisible LCS spears.

BorblandApr 9, 20153 votes

I was in URF, and there were a TPA mundo throwing invisible cleavers 100% of the time.

So annoying, 1000 bugs are in the game, and Quinn's blind bug just has been corrected after Quinn being out for 2 years

I Am LuxannaApr 8, 20152 votes

Mundo also has an invisible Q glitch

Auz the RipperApr 8, 20151 votes

Mundo cleavers are much less annoying. The glitch also occasionally affects the Mundo players themselves, preventing them from seeing their own cleavers while everyone else can so the cleaver glitch isn't biased toward the mundo player and has fair counterplay

ErockandrollApr 8, 20151 votes

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Mundo cleavers are much less annoying. The glitch also occasionally affects the Mundo players themselves, preventing them from seeing their own cleavers while everyone else can so the cleaver glitch isn't biased toward the mundo player and has fair counterplay

This might be the problem, I heard on another thread that the invisible skill shots was a General bug that was not champion specific. That might be the reason why they haven't done anything with nid, because it's not specific to her.

Auz the RipperApr 8, 20152 votes

I've only ever seen it on mundo and nidalee. Additionally, mundo's cleavers will be invisible for the entirety of the game to the player affect by the glitch, unlike Nidalee's spear which seemingly goes invisible at random.

Baron of BreadApr 8, 20152 votes

Happens to Anivia Q as well.

goldensilver09Apr 8, 20152 votes

They pink the Spears. i don't see the problem.

SammystormApr 8, 20152 votes

If it only affected Nidalee you might have an argument. However since it affects many champions I don't think you can safly say disable all the champions it is currently affecting.

ZiasaurApr 9, 20152 votes

DELETE HER

shadecrapperApr 9, 20152 votes

Because an invisible spear is cooler then a shen ult not working lol

EvilScotsman1974Apr 9, 20152 votes

There is invisible spears and cleavers, hooks from blitz (only fist invisible though)

Sion's Q and R not working, xeraths abilites not working, vi's Q

Even though the general response from rito is

"we have tried to re create the bug numerous times but have failed to do so or failed to repeat this bug repeatedly so until then there is nothing we can do until we receive more data"

all you need to do is read the report a bug topics and you will see the same things posted over and over again and some have been reported for a couple of years now with no fixes in sight.