The state of Zac post rework.

it be lìke that··7 votes·826 views

Currently sporting a 47% winrate according www.leagueofgraphs.com which is around 1-2% higher than he has hovered in since the nerfs. Zac since receiving his rework has been nothing but nerfed. W clear speed nerfed to the point id say early it's less efficient than sejuani which she compensates for absurd damage to enemy champions and cc early game. He is also taking a lot of damage in the jungle early, making any gank attempt before your first back a bit risky since it could cost you your passive.

Q. Overall this is a far better spell, no real complaints, i Would certainly trade it for old Q if it meant a revert nontheless.

W: The most clear efficient spell, or at least it used to be. Takes around 6-7 W's paired with using your E and Q on cd to clear raptors early With 3x quint ap you deal around 32 damage to each raptor at level 3. It is painful to watch.

E. Probably one of the most fun and rewarding abilities in the game. I think its current damage needs to be buffed since the knock is only 0.5 knock is so hard to channel into a decent ult if the person is remotely competent. I used to like to put 2 points in E at 2,3 then gank mid, but it just doesnt seem to be worth the risk, now with the giant circle of hey im going here, lower hp, lower damage and lower knock up duration.

R. The reason we have this whole fiasco. First off. This ult is ~~ toxic. ~~ Tyler1 toxic. If Zac is anywhere near good, this ult makes him a 60%+ banrate. It is far too game changing to literally pick up all their carries and chuck them into your team. With this ult I feel like he will be kept in the dumpster for entire seasons at a time like: Evelynn Azir Kalista

Not to mention the pending Cinderhulk nerf, which would push his clear speed to unplayable amounts of slow.

r/thesecretweapon

mains begged since day 1 not to go through with this rework. Just don't want to hear "GG a zac main lmao. someone dodge"

pls rito.

12 Comments

0 Hogapu8 votes

I'm not even sure he needed a rework at the 1st place, he was really fine to play agaisnt before rework... I would definitely love a revert.

it be lìke that3 votes

He didn't. Like at all. It blew me away when he was reworked. Funny part is, I didn't even know at first.

I quit playing league early this year, came back queued up a game. used my Q and was immediately confused.

Miror B1 votes

I agree, what they did to malzahar and xin zhao zac was an unneeded mess that did nothing to improve them.

it be lìke that1 votes

in zac's case, it turned him into a problem.

Miror B1 votes

In the case of the two we know about, they received massive nerfs until one was eventually semi-reverted while the other remains in this awkward limbo where they can't actually touch his kit due to everything being in fringe territory. It's why I'm scared for evelynn fans, as from what I can understand they may have turned her into an AP kha clone with stealth being a minor nuance.

it be lìke that1 votes

tfw Zac is highest played and Eve is second...

My life is hard.

Sire Hippington1 votes

I guess i'm the only one that dilikes the new Q. First off, it really feels hela clunky with the second part beeing slightly higher ranged AA. But mostly, i think it's just as much to blame for his state as the new ult. Giving a rather spamable hard CC(displacement even) on his base kit inevitable causes his numbers to be gutted. With the insane range gapcloser + knockup from E, he already was a terrifying ganker in the past. But with another displacement to follow up on that or simply catch you after dodgeing his E, his ganking preasure is just insane, and the only way to balance that out is gutting his numbers. The old Q might not have been the most interesting abillities on it's own, but it got the job done and perfectly supplemented the rest of his kit. The slow was enough to add meaningfull utillity without beeing overkill on his overall cc, allowing him to pac some more reliabillity and damage. And i never felt like i need more to do duering a fight between oicking up the passive heal and positioning my self to land W and Q on the right target and as many others as possible.

The new Q could be an awsome abillity if both parts were a skillshot, but combined with the rest of his kit it's just overkill and causeing issues.

it be lìke that1 votes

i can see that point entirely as well.

LankPants1 votes

The tank reworks were garbage, not just the Zac rework.

I've personally always hated the Sej rework and argued against it every step of the way in a very similar vein, while I don't have nearly the same level of insight on Zac the rework's also always seemed very off to me as well.

Mighty Mortein1 votes

Here I thought Zac post-rework was like, the best jungler for a while? Heavy CC, engage and sticking potential with ganks. It was filth. I'm sure they could buff him up a bit if he's lacking atm.

25YOvirgin1 votes

r/thesecretweapon almost dead nowadays, most of people stop playing Zac, or lol in general.

I had 390k mastery points on Zac before rework, now i have 390k.... nuff said.

it be lìke that1 votes

yeah....its pretty sad.

but there you can see all the posts begging for this to not happen.

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