like, this is ridiculous. even pre-nerf, old dark harvest wasn't this popular in aram. Now, i like the method of new dark harvest over the old one, but holy shit its so overtuned.......
Warlord Rhinark14 votesEven League of Thunderlord's was better than this.
Velzard of Koz4 votesThunderlord's Decree flashbacks
Need Gold 4 Tent3 votesDH actually does less damage than it used to though, on top of being much harder to farm.
usul12023 votesIt's base is lower, but it scales up far far more than before, especially in aram where people can't b and resets are common.
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesIt's base is lower, but it scales up far far more than before, especially in aram where people can't b and resets are common.
How does it scale far more when you can only get 5 damage per stack, per 45 seconds (unless you get kills) compared to 2 per monster/4 per cannon/6 per takedown with no cd? Doing a full clear + a cannon wave "gank" would already get me 22 stacks or 28 if successful, compared to roughly 2 ganks that you could do in the same amount of time with the new DH for the equivalent of 10 stacks.
usul12021 votesEach stack does 8 (6? One of those) times as much damage as stacks did previously....
So for non junglers who proc it more now, it stacks up massively faster.
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesEach stack does 8 (6? One of those) times as much damage as stacks did previously....
So for non junglers who proc it more now, it stacks up massively faster.
It's 5 per stack.
usul12022 votesStill more than before. In aram it's completely busted (it did over 10% of my damage to champs in 1 match, which is entirely absurd), and I honestly think it needs some toning down on SR too, it feels incredibly strong on champs like velkoz and mf.
Iron IV KogMaw3 votesthis is aram...they're not going to nerf anything because people use it in a fun game mode
usul12023 votesI wouldn't put it off the table, they've considered things like removing warmogs.
Malak2 votesWell, Aram is a different game.
Just disable dark harvest in aram?
usul12021 votesIt's far more problematic on aram, but I'd still say it's overtuned on SR as well. Can't speak for TT, don't like the map much.
Zindane Leingod2 votesAs someone who plays mostly ARAM i think I can weigh in on this a bit. I don't think the new dark harvest does as much damage overall as the old one did on ARAM (or at least I havent seen anyone with the crazy damage numbers i saw on the old original dark harvest (highest I saw with the old one was over 16k damage from DH alone)). The problem with the new one comes with how easy it is proc. At least with the old dark harvest you had to walk up and auto people to use. With the new one, you have lux, xerath and ziggs (honorable mention to corki R) procing it on CD from halfway across the map adding even more damage to ridiculous (on ARAM) poke kits. So in my eyes long story short, even though it might do less damage overall, the fact that everyone ever can use it effectively, especially poke champs, makes it way more obnoxious to play against. Needs to either be dumpstered to make it a less ideal choice for everyone or just straight removed on aram (can't speak for SR but I know people don't seem super happy with it there either).
usul12021 votesThat's interesting, I've noticed it's much more polarized (an ahead player does a ton, behind does shit) but the high end I've seen be way way higher than the previous iteration. Over 10% of my damage in a recent game was DH, which is nuts to me. I'm not a historic aram player though, so I may be biased in that my preferred champs did not do well with old DH
ApollyonBainer1 votesWait whats dark harvest xD