Oh look at that… funny coincidence multiple bruiser-fighter/AA-caster abuse cases have in common.

Astôlfo·Dec 12, 2016·12 votes·788 views

Irelia. Hecarim. Corki. Ezreal. Pre-nerf Tank Ekko. Olaf (iirc) Vi (and particularly even more so prominent with pre-nerf CotC) And now Camille.

You get 3 chances to guess.

If you guessed Triforce, you're right!

So… Every single one of them is broken… or… Maybe… just maybe… Triforce is too abusable in the first place.

But hey, what do I know. If any of them go just about any other damage/non-Sheen item and then try to full tank, their damage was complete shit. They go Triforce and still maul people while being durable, because they get essentially 3 base-damage autoattacks' worth of damage in a single autoattack and then their bonus AD and other multipliers and bonuses on top of that every 1.5 seconds. But whelp, guess I know nothing.

But hey, Triforce totally isn't a problem, eh?

25 Comments

FalconPawwwwnchDec 12, 20169 votes

Olaf never bought trinity force

Tank Ekko abused gauntlet way before he abusted trinity

Pretty Sure Vi abused Cleaver way before trinity too

Nice try I guess

AstôlfoDec 12, 20165 votes

If you'd bother reading, it might help. I was unsure on Olaf hence the "iirc". Gauntlet's another Sheen item, and he abused Trinity in Tankko v2. Vi can abuse TF too.

Nice try I guess

WoonStruckDec 12, 20164 votes

Tank Ekko was an issue primarily because of Fervor, not Trinity Force. Just FYI.

Grasp was only a thing when it did a lot of damage AND added to sustain, making IBG+Sunfire strong on any tank whose intent was to dive the ADC.

Tukan TonkoDec 12, 20164 votes

I think it's not triforce that you don't like, it's item 3057 , right? So item 3025 as well, right?

That's why triforce is called "tons of damage"

AstôlfoDec 12, 20162 votes

The issue is every single one of the Sheen items has seen at least multiple abuse periods. Lich got rebalanced around that, and Iceborn generally (except the Iceborn Ezreal perma slow poke cancer). Triforce is still just as strong as ever even with crit removed.

Akali is SO HOTDec 12, 20164 votes

None of those champions are broken tho

AstôlfoDec 12, 20161 votes

facepalm

I didn't say they are.

Akali is SO HOTDec 12, 20163 votes

Then why are you complaining? There aren't any abuse cases for Tri Force. There are just some champions that work really well with the item which is why you see them getting it first or second most of the time in their builds. What's wrong with that?

AstôlfoDec 12, 20161 votes

Um.

It was in response to people freaking out Camille would be some OP tank assassin with just Triforce + tank build. Which isn't anything new, nor is Camille broken.

Hence it's basically a rebuttal thread.

RalanrDec 12, 20163 votes

Oh my god, someone else thinks triforce is dumb right now?

I'm not alone?

PennsDec 12, 20162 votes

Well its been basically the strongest item to rush on champs that can use it for a pretty long time now.

RalanrDec 12, 20162 votes

Yeah. Especially since they removed the crit in favor of more attack speed. The champions who didn't really utilize the crit from it greatly benefited from more attack speed.

AcidTheWarlockDec 12, 20162 votes

And the CDR.

RoyalMachineDec 13, 20161 votes

I agree that the CDR is too excessive. IMO they should remove the cdr for 10%/15% crit chance back, that way the item would be attractive to a wider range of bruisers(garen,yasuo, yi, etc).

AcidTheWarlockDec 13, 20161 votes

I'm fine with the CDR, it just made it more easily abused.

Irelia doesn't build crit, and neither does Hecarim, so when it got CDR it got better for them.

Yasuo and Garen can still take it and 10/15% crit isn't all that much besides on Yasuo, so it would really be a buff to him.

And Yi wouldn't want Triforce, you'd want IE if you want a big crit item.

LimrickDec 12, 20162 votes

I made a post on it like a week after the changes and haven't seen complaints since.

I can assure you it's just as bullshit now as it was then.

Malicious MetalDec 12, 20162 votes

Tri force often makes or breaks champs.

Hell, even Morde used to build it. 365 sheen procs do hurt

BârdDec 12, 20162 votes

Irelia has an overloaded kit. Irelia is the problem, not the item. Hecarim CoC is the problem, not Triforce. Corki Seriously? Corki hasn't been broken in a long time. Ezreal is in an ok place. Very dangerous if fed or allowed to farm, but not gamebreaking. (Ezreal DOES break a lot of items, though. Spirit of the Elder Lizard, Runeglaive, etc.) Ekko was a broken piece of shit. That wasn't Triforce, that was Ekko. Olaf never built that item. CoC. She was fine before that mastery was added. Camille Was literally released today. She is horribly overtuned. Her numbers and her kit are why she is cancer, not Triforce.

You know what else these champions all buy?

item 1001

Does that mean boots are cancer that need to be nerfed? No.

Correlation does not imply causation.

AstôlfoDec 12, 20162 votes

I never said they were broken or broken only because of Triforce. I was saying Triforce is a major part of the reason they can build tankier but still do a heck of a lot of damage. And since that's something I see people disagree with often, I was pointing that items can be the problem instead of every single champion that used that item.

Nice job reading. And nice strawman.

It Hertz When IPDec 12, 20163 votes

That's not strawman. You explicitly claimed in the title that there are multiple cases of item abuse and listed several champions, he counterargued that each champion's issues were not a result of abusing TriForce.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong, just that "strawman" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

AstôlfoDec 12, 20161 votes

Yes, them abusing Triforce. Not the champions being abusive.

And it is a strawman because he made a completely different and fallacious argument to try and attack my reasonable points.

Guyy FieriDec 12, 20162 votes

When you refer to Ezreal and Corki as bruisers lel

AstôlfoDec 12, 20161 votes

When you don't understand basic English lel

Guyy FieriDec 13, 20162 votes

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When you don't understand basic English lel

I see it now...gotcha...but still while triforce Ezreal is strong, I still don't think it's as strong as gauntlet Ezreal.

The thing that has been failed to be mentioned is how triforce is one of the more expensive items in the game and especially with regards to champs like irelia and Hecarim who want that but also wanna dive, when their tank has already finished sunfire or gauntlet and you're sitting on sheen/phage, it kinda sucks. Triforce is strong, yes. But triforce is expensive to compensate for that. Any Vi I play against usually right now goes Clever anyway (not saying they never go Triforce but clever just gives the kiting and the tons of damage that triforce at a discounted price).

Tukan TonkoDec 13, 20161 votes

Trinity force brings you a lot of useful stats, like mana, attack speed, damage, health, cooldown reduc., and passives from sheen and phage. This item is like almost the most expensive one in the game (most after rabadon, I think) and it should bring you some power, don't you think so?

On tanks, you can just build item 3748 and you just got a lot of damage anyways. As Ezreal you can just build item 3031 and still get tons of damage. But Triforce gives you many other useful stats, as I mentioned. So it can be used in many situations be it poke, all-ins, escape, abilities. Yep, a bit of OP but that's why it's expensive. And still, you can build triforce on anyone and you can abuse it. Well, Ezreal will always abuse it more because he can proc it with his ultimate-long-range Q.

But who cares about them, I think you want to talk about tanks. But I answered that one, build titanic hydra and you will still get a lot of damage, but sustained, not bursty one that sheen passive gives. I think triforce is okay. It's not OP like item 3146 once was (ehm ehm Akali Q+AA full HP_ ehm_)