Master Yi and his Lane Safety

SlashStriker·Apr 20, 2017·2 votes·1,029 views

So i currently watched tank reworks and i wonder

Why so many tanks have escape mechanism but Master Yi doesn't? I mean they are tanks who are suppose to take the damage and not run away like pussies. If you gank Sejuani she will just go into the bush and dash away. Gank Zac and he will jump away

Master Yi on other hand is Skirmisher or Light Fighter who is focused on assassination of viable enemies and tries to avoid damage. But what as Master Yi am i suppose to do? His ult gives me only 20% movement speed. Ekko gets 50%, Poppy gets 32% and so on

Fiora is Skirmisher too. I can't tell you how many times I've been ganked and escaped thanks to Fiora's Kit - Ult, Dash, CC parry

Why is Master Yi skirmisher with no safety mechanism?

25 Comments

DunkinNoobsApr 20, 20174 votes

Because he can 1v1 anyone; what does he need an escape for?

SlashStrikerApr 20, 20171 votes

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Because he can 1v1 anyone; what does he need an escape for?

ok so tanks who are suppose to soak the damage and can escape but Yi who is not suppose to be damaged must not have escape. Nice logic

And no he cannot always 1v1 anyone. Olaf for instance can deal with Yi. At the same time he also have bonus movement speed and immunity to all types of CC

Handy Sandy Apr 20, 20171 votes

Yi who is not suppose to be damaged must not have escape. Nice logic

So he's extremely fast, has invulnerability that does damage, AND has an escape? That is not a balancable kit.

SlashStrikerApr 20, 20171 votes

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So he's extremely fast, has invulnerability that does damage, AND has an escape? That is not a balancable kit.

invulnerability????

RalanrApr 20, 20172 votes

More like untargetability with his Q.

PartybringerApr 20, 20171 votes

time his q and you can dodge abilities and turret shots

Handy Sandy Apr 20, 20171 votes

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invulnerability????

His Q.

Untargetability, invulnerability, you still know what I mean so it's not worth pointing that out. It's like how people say Leona's a tank when really she's just a subclass of tanks.

DunkinNoobsApr 20, 20173 votes

Olaf can't 1v1 Yi past 2 items, and that's hardly a good comparison anyway since Olaf beats everyone early. But once Yi has Razer and Botrk, Olaf is toast.

Yi already is super fast, has super high damage, has his Q resets to constantly avoid damage and CC, and he has meditate on top of all that. Giving him an escape as well would be ridiculous. It would be like if Azir had huge dps, huge burst, super long range, the best disengage spell in the game, and then they gave him an escape too.

Oh right, they did that, which is why Azir had to be nerfed into oblivion. Let's not do the same to Master Yi.

Commando YiApr 20, 20171 votes

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Because he can 1v1 anyone; what does he need an escape for?

just cc him https://i.giphy.com/3ohzdGrJgvSCC0hyWQ.gif

RalanrApr 20, 20172 votes

Technically Yi can escape with his ult. Skirmishers also tend to have more in combat mobility (yes there are those who can use it out of combat, but the general theme of their mobility is combat focused).

Yi is also a very old champion.

SlashStrikerApr 20, 20171 votes

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Technically Yi can escape with his ult. Skirmishers also tend to have more in combat mobility (yes there are those who can use it out of combat, but the general theme of their mobility is combat focused).

Yi is also a very old champion.

Warwick and Ryze also are very old champions but they got improved quite alot with their last updates

Almost every other champion got higher mobility than Yi

Ekko, Poppy, Quinn, and many many others

All master Yi gets is 20% movement speed at level 6. Others have way more than that on top of their other mobilities on their kit and they also have CC as well without any items in their slots

With everything i said and the fact that there are tons of reasons why Yi is very rarely being picked on LCS everyone here is just talking tons of bs

I am one of those Yi mains that wants Yi to have more options on the laning phase with extra safety and better way to skirmish and I assume they are many others as well

RalanrApr 20, 20172 votes

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Almost every other champion got higher mobility than Yi

Ekko, Poppy, Quinn, and many many others

...what? The other two I understand because they have mobility in mind for their kits, but Poppy has a speed boost for a few seconds and a displacement that requires an enemy target. I wouldn't really say she has more mobility than Yi since her most mobile ability is very situational.

All master Yi gets is 20% movement speed at level 6. Others have way more than that on top of their other mobilities on their kit and they also have CC as well without any items in their slots

Yi gains slow immunity as well. Doesn't help against hard CC, but still very powerful.

With everything i said and the fact that there are tons of reasons why Yi is very rarely being picked on LCS everyone here is just talking tons of bs

Yi isn't picked in the LCS because all he offers is damage and no utility to fall back on. Not because he "lacks mobility".

Could Yi use changes? Yes, he's an old champion that hasn't aged well.

SlashStrikerApr 20, 20171 votes

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...what? The other two I understand because they have mobility in mind for their kits, but Poppy has a speed boost for a few seconds and a displacement that requires an enemy target. I wouldn't really say she has more mobility than Yi since her most mobile ability is very situational.

How the fuck does Yi got more fkin mobility since poppy starts with 32% movement speed at basic ability and yi got 20% movement speed at madafakin ultimate. God damn it man do you math. Poppy and Yi both require target but poppy got tons of utility on top of all that yi can do poppy can do it too. Yi cannot target allies. Yi is not a diver god damn it

Similar to damage creep that's pretty much design creep right there

On top of that most champions got 3 attack speed per level. Yi got 2 or 2.5 attack speed per level. Speed creep

Both Pantheon and Yi got 355 MS but pantheon also got hard cc and can harass enemies like a pussy from safe distance and once you get close to him he will probably kill you with tons of damage he got on top of the hard cc

Yi gains slow immunity as well. Doesn't help against hard CC, but still very powerful.

Nearly every champion in the game got hard CC and Yi got non of it. Yeah is pretty damn strong. Olaf however got immunity to all CCs

Yi isn't picked in the LCS because all he offers is damage and no utility to fall back on. Not because he "lacks mobility".

Well you proved my point there

RalanrApr 20, 20172 votes

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How the fuck does Yi got more fkin mobility since poppy starts with 32% movement speed at basic ability and yi got 20% movement speed at madafakin ultimate.

Because of the mobility on his Q.

God damn it man do you math. Poppy and Yi both require target but poppy got tons of utility

Because she's a tank. Yi is a melee carry.

on top of all that yi can do poppy can do it too. Yi cannot target allies. Yi is not a diver god damn it

Yes Yi is not a diver. No Poppy cannot do everything Yi can do. That's just grasping at straws to strengthen your argument.

Poppy cannot go untargetable, she doesn't have true damage, doesn't gain immunity to slows, doesn't have a heal, etc.

On top of that most champions got 3 attack speed per level. Yi got 2 or 2.5 attack speed per level. Speed creep

How many people have Yi's double strike passive?

Nearly every champion in the game got hard CC and Yi got non of it. Yeah is pretty damn strong. Olaf however got immunity to all CCs

We get it, Yi has archaic design and needs changes. I don't disagree there.

SlashStrikerApr 20, 20171 votes

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Because of the mobility on his Q.

Poppy's Heroic Charge also has gap closer but without untargetability. Can you imagine untargetability + stun + knock up on Poppy?

Because she's a tank. Yi is a melee carry.

So Poppy is a tank that has more ms than Yi who is squishy carry?

Yes Yi is not a diver. No Poppy cannot do everything Yi can do. That's just grasping at straws to strengthen your argument.

If she is tank with tons of protection then why she got so much escape options? Yeah It says that Yi is skirmisher yet he is played as Diver. if you don't have escape options what do you think the champions is? But Divers actually have hard CC too. Yi doesn't

Poppy cannot go untargetable, she doesn't have true damage, doesn't gain immunity to slows, doesn't have a heal, etc.

Yes Yi has untargetability for 0.2 ... 0.7 seconds . How much is the total duration of hard CC that Poppy has? And who gives a fuck if you got no slow reduction if you are tanky as fk. If you are tank then enemies are not suppose to focus you. I would never get cc reduction on Alistar. Yes Poppy doesn't have true damage but does damage based on champion health - tank shredder in different way

How many people have Yi's double strike passive?

Lucian for instance. 2nd attack does 100% damage to minions and monsters pretty much like Yi's Alpha Strike that does extra damage. Lucian is like Dash+Lightslinger Q+Lightslinger W+Lightslinger

Olaf also got way more attack speed than Yi. Probably around twice as much as Yi have

RalanrApr 20, 20171 votes

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Poppy's Heroic Charge also has gap closer but without untargetability. Can you imagine untargetability + stun + knock up on Poppy?

...why would I want to imagine that?

So Poppy is a tank that has more ms than Yi who is squishy carry?

Ok, first off Yi has a base MS of 355. Tied with Pantheon as the highest base MS in the game.

Second: being a squishy carry doesn't automatically mean you move faster. All ADCs have slower movement speeds than every that isn't Nautilus.

If she is tank with tons of protection then why she got so much escape options? Yeah It says that Yi is skirmisher yet he is played as Diver. if you don't have escape options don't you think the champions is? But Divers actually have hard CC too. Yi doesn't

Her E isn't much of an escape option (it's in the same boat as Yi Q) so it's mainly her W that's an escape option. Unless you're counting her ult which is meant to disengage teamfights. So it's no wonder that a disengage tank has escape options.

Yi isn't meant to be a diver and if he got reworked it would probably make him more like a modern skirmisher. But how would you fix Yi?

Yes Yi has untargetability for 0.2 ... 0.7 seconds . How much is the total duration of hard CC that Poppy has? And who gives a fuck if you got no slow reduction if you are tanky as fk. If you are tanks enemies are not suppose to focus you. I would never get cc reduction on Alistar.

Since basic attacks reset the cooldown by 1 second per attack and Yi AA's very quickly, he can do it multiple times in a fight to get around targets.

Slows can mean a lot to a tank since it can prevent escapes. Being stupid tanky isn't going to save you from a fed Yi with FM.

Yes Poppy doesn't have true damage but does damage based on champion health - tank shredder in different way

And Yi's is arguably more effective because of how fast he attacks.

Lucian for instance. Does 100% damage to minions and monsters pretty much like Yi's Alpha Strike. Lucian is like Dash Lightslinger, Q Lightslinger W Lightslinger

Lucian is locked behind needing to cast an ability. Yi's isn't. Otherwise, sure.

Olaf also got way more attack speed than Yi. Probably around twice as much as Yi have

Give me stats and builds because I am going to call bullshit. Unless you're going to use Olaf's missing health passive, which means he pays for higher attack speed at the cost of his health while Yi doesn't really pay for it.

SlashStrikerApr 20, 20171 votes

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...why would I want to imagine that?

Ok, first off Yi has a base MS of 355. Tied with Pantheon as the highest base MS in the game.

Yet pantheon throws spears from safe distance and has hard cc with nearly global ult

Second: being a squishy carry doesn't automatically mean you move faster. All ADCs have slower movement speeds than every that isn't Nautilus.

yes it doesn't. cait is not that fast but she got mobility on her E that can be performed over walls and can place 5 traps that you must avoid. I also got he feeling the traps active instantly on place

Tryndamere Has free dash and massive slow. Cannot die while his ult is active

Naut can escape with his Hook. His CC also help him alot with escapes

Her E isn't much of an escape option (it's in the same boat as Yi Q) so it's mainly her W that's an escape option. Unless you're counting her ult which is meant to disengage teamfights. So it's no wonder that a disengage tank has escape options.

Poppy's R is the biggest FU on the league when being ganked

Since basic attacks reset the cooldown by 1 second per attack and Yi AA's very quickly, he can do it multiple times in a fight to get around targets.

Alpha Strike got 18 seconds cooldown. You know that? That means other champions can use their mobility ability at least twice before Yi use my alpha second time

Slows can mean a lot to a tank since it can prevent escapes. Being stupid tanky isn't going to save you from a fed Yi with FM.

Being stupid wont save anyone. A smart Alistar will know how to waste Yi's Highlander that lasts 7 seconds

And Yi's is arguably more effective because of how fast he attacks.

Every champions can attack fast. Yi stacks attack speed champions like Poppy doesn't. What do you expect? And Yeah Yi got attack speed ability but the point is that he gets more attack speed items. Champions like Poppy wont

Lucian is locked behind needing to cast an ability. Yi's isn't. Otherwise, sure.

Yes Lucian needs to cast ability but Yi put himself on melee danger to attack enemies to get double strike ready which means he can get focused easily and potentially die. Lucian doesn't need to do that since he is ranged champ and if he gets focused he can just dash away

Give me stats and builds because I am going to call bullshit. Unless you're going to use Olaf's missing health passive, which means he pays for higher attack speed at the cost of his health while Yi doesn't really pay for it.

It seems you haven't been around when Yi got nerfed because of certain items

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Olaf http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Master_Yi

Olaf 0.694 (+ 2.7%) (0 – 45.9%) Yi 0.679 (+ 2%) (0 – 34%)

Berserker Rage (basic ability) Olaf gains 1% bonus attack speed for every 1% missing health. Vicious Strikes (basic ability) Attack Speed: 40 / 50 / 60 / 70 / 80% Ragnarok Bonus Movement Speed: 50 / 60 / 70%

Yi Highlander (Ult)
Bonus Attack Speed: 30 / 55 / 80% Multiplied Movement Speed: 25 / 35 / 45%

EndlessSorcererApr 20, 20172 votes

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RalanrApr 20, 20171 votes

But I'm so bored!

TranozeApr 20, 20171 votes

You should know that once yi go in, there only 2 scenario will happen, enemy all die or Yi die. Noone use yi's ult for runaway, he is an all-in champ Aatrox XinZhao Jax JarvanIV .. and so much more. Dont put an easy escape on all in champ, they will be insanely broken if you do so (example LeeSin )

SasogwaApr 20, 20171 votes

Yi is fine as it is. Also his "all in nature" is very healthy compared to other damage carries because when he goes in, he commits fully to the fight and can't escape if he did a mistake. He's less mechanical but a lot less forgiving than champions like Ekko, Leblanc, Zed.

DeathBurstApr 20, 20171 votes

Because he is a jungler, for the most part?

SlashStrikerApr 20, 20171 votes

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Because he is a jungler, for the most part?

is that what it says on the champion description? He is a jungler? The only reason he is is because most people cannot lane as Yi. If you are experienced enough you should know that junglers actually apply pressure on lanes. Yi for most of the part farms the jungle.

Udyr can do literally whatever he wants in the jungle. You jungle is mine jungle and does good ganks even without gap closer

Lee Sin and Vi camps enemy laners and counter jungle on buffs

So what makes Yi a jungler?

DeathBurstApr 20, 20171 votes

No champion description explicitly says "this is a jungler". But when a champion has bonus damage to monsters, it seems kinda obvious he is intended to be played in the jungle, you know, where monsters live.

SlashStrikerApr 20, 20171 votes

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No champion description explicitly says "this is a jungler". But when a champion has bonus damage to monsters, it seems kinda obvious he is intended to be played in the jungle, you know, where monsters live.

You clear the jungle. And then what? Clear it again?