"What the fk is that Elise damage and mobility"
The same as it was pre buff ;)
The same as it was pre buff ;)
Her damage did get a buff.
Her spiders now deal 10/20/30/40+(0.15xAP) magic damage up from 10/20/30/40+(0.10xAP) physical damage.
Obviously the higher ratio is a straight buff but it's also better for Elise now that her spiders deal magic damage since you itemise for M/Pen and most champs and all jungle camps will have more armour than MR in most situations.
But the real buff is that E is a one point wonder. 1.6 second long range stun, means you can max QW for the extra damage, while still having the same utility.
Keep in mind they also fixed a bug on her E (Rappel) where her spiderlings were not attacking. This is potentially a huge reason as to why it feels she does much more damage.
She no longer has to max E second for the stun duration. This allows her to max her W second for higher mid-game damage without sacrificing utility.
It's sort of an indirect buff to her damage but making her stun a one-point-wonder offered so much to Elise It's insane. Even if she does max her Cocoon she'll still be really scary because I believe It's a 2 second stun that can be hit from afar.
buffing her cc is a direct buff to damage
she gets some autos or stuff on you she couldnt before due to you running away
kinda minor but add the laner to the mix and she gets much stronger
The volitile spidering will add about 100 damage to her combo, nothing too big. The attack speed from her w is useless if you are insta bursting somebody. The rappel buff adds about 25 damage to the one auto attack in her combo. Her overall damage is slightly higher, but she could still burst for a ton of damage (more than enough to one hundred to 0 somebody) pre buff.
Actually she's stronger now.
Cancer champ will get nerfed soon. Some champs don't deserve to be strong
Some champs don't deserve to be strong
Yeah, I also hope Riot will nerf Lee/Fizz/Jinx and all FOTM champions
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Actually she's stronger now.
Cancer champ will get nerfed soon. Some champs don't deserve to be strong
That's not how balance works. All champs deserve to be strong.
Elise desperately needed these buffs. She's been in an awful spot for so damn long, it's about time they got around to some buffs for her. Personally, I feel she could use a few more.
Let the Elise players have this... We've patiently awaited the return of our Spider Queen. <3
The Queen is back !
The thing is is that even with how much better she is she still has a good amount of counterplay which is more that you can say for other champions. People are just whining because she's suddenly strong again after so long.
The true queen
has reclaimed the throne from the false queen
HURRAH!
I wanted Elise to be good, but then I learned the horrors of the Troll Pole 2.0
Her damage is higher.
W was buffed.
She got ton of damage buffs recenly, now with added utility makes her absolutely retarded, sure permaban soon and nerfs incoming. You can hate now, you can downvote now, but its just sour truth that everyone decent already acknowledged.
The same as it was pre buff ;)
Her spiders were given AP damage which synergizes with her build and a higher AP ratio and stun was buffed early metric fuckton... So no actually she is stronger than she was last patch
The problem is you can just e into lane and hit a 1.6 second stun from 2 feet away so you never miss
She seems to be doing way more damage over the last two patches.
The changes moved her up to a spot among the top junglers currently.
Christmas came early for Elise players. I feel like it's going to be short lived though, which is sad. Riot should take a closer look at her because so many people have played her through all the patches where she's been in a tough spot. She deserves better from the balancing team.
I'm actually going to start playing Elise a bit. She seems fun and strong. Glad Riot brought her back without making her OP again.
Well...better start learning how to play Elise again since I have this feeling she will become a powerhouse again
nope, the damage isn't the same as befor. Her spiderlings have a 50% higher ap ratio, deal magic damage, proc spell-effects and no longer bug for 4 sec after E. going with her usuall items, both the spell-effects, the ratio and mostly the magic-damage are a huge buff to her. Aditonally, 60% more duration on the rank 1 stun makes it far more easy to use her theoretical damage in practice, while it also allows to max W second for a better early-midgame damage.
As others have mentioned, she did get buffed number wise, and her spiderlings are more responsive so they contribute a lot of damage, but it's also Elise building more damage instead of going tank (with a bit of mpen) like she used to.
I think its hilarious that people are complaining now about her damage after she was mentioned for once in patch notes. I though she was fine before the buff and that people only said she was bad because easy/tank/afk junglers were better at the time. I don't really get why people are complaining now. It just makes them seem ignorant for underestimating her damage before hand. But in all honesty, she did feel like she was lacking compared to the easier jglers out there, and her low win rate at the time was reflective of that. Her new cocoon stun duration really helps with getting her team an advantage early game, which I really like.
Plus people are building Runeglaive on her pretty frequently, which is showcasing how well she synergizes with a Sheen item when it was never built on her prior to RG.