Xin zhao and shyvana were premtivley nerfed because they would be too strong with sated devouerer

Buttigieg 2020··67 votes·5,304 views

meanwhile MasterYi can double strike twice, proc wuju style 4 times, and reduce his alpha strike cooldown by 4 seconds in the 1 second it takes for him to attack. Rito plz

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Par Xżi6 votes

Compared to Vayne... utterly broken, proc w every 2 auto attacks.

Abyssphere17 votes

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Compared to Vayne... utterly broken, proc w every 2 auto attacks.

Difference is Vayne is ... kind of not suited to the jungle. If a Vayne jungles and manages to get Sated Devourer then she deserves to proc her W every 2nd attack because she's achieved something.

SpiritGear2 votes

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Difference is Vayne is ... kind of not suited to the jungle. If a Vayne jungles and manages to get Sated Devourer then she deserves to proc her W every 2nd attack because she's achieved something.

I just go armor and attack speed and she can clear it pretty easy also use some tanky masteries

Trias0001 votes

But isn't she really prone to invades? Early she's pretty weak, I imagine Lee Sin would just obliterate her.

Sire Hippington1 votes

to be honest, lee also obliterates Yi in the early...and she can kite most other melee-junglers to death easily.

SpiritGear1 votes

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But isn't she really prone to invades? Early she's pretty weak, I imagine Lee Sin would just obliterate her.

yeah she is but if you and your team can coordinate rarely happens in normals I recommend going with friends in a skype call she can farm relatively safely and with her E she can push away invaders while she q's away that is if you are warding your own jungle but I mean who doesn't? also with her E's stun it can give a relatively good amount of setup time for your mid,bot or top to come over and help secure a kill! But I''m blabbering about teamwork and such when its pretty hard to do in a game with random people so in reality yeah shes weak against ganks in her own jungle but that's only if your team cant coordinate well enough to ask for help

Aikki1 votes

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Compared to Vayne... utterly broken, proc w every 2 auto attacks.

This. I just saw a Vayne go 1v4 and win.

THEDONKEYKONG4475 votes

MasterYi got a secret nerf. When ever he uses his passive double strike the 2nd strike won't reduce the cooldown of your alpha strike like it used to. But still yi is pretty good right now. I hope riot keeps him this way but he still can be countered by blinds and or hard cc (knockups/stuns) or thornmail. Thornmail is hard for MasterYi

Butthurt1 votes

Meh, built Thornmail and took red smite vs a Yi in my past two games and he had no issue fighting me at all. Granted the first game I was Tahm Kench, but the second game I was Aatrox with a sated devourer (plus a few other items). Yet he'd still kill me in seconds because he could do like 800 true damage in 2-3 seconds + he had two lifesteal items and a wits end, which basically negate my thornmail + gromp. He was actually pretty even with me throughout the game, having maybe 1 or 2 more assists/kills. But once he got sated (I did too around the same time) he'd just go into 2-3 people and kill them all. If you were alone vs him you'd die too.

Hard to CC him when he's using alpha strike every few seconds as well, not to mention he's moving fast due to his ultimate (no slows, hard to hit CC skillshots).

Though as FULL tank Tahm Kench was almost capable of beating him in fights, with gromp + thornmail and red smite up, if I had it. But he learned to just ignore me and kill all the other targets first. This Yi also built IE instead of hydra, and had no MR.

EffectFX4 votes

And is still squishy as all balls with no CC aside from items and/or red buff.

Buttigieg 202020 votes

Too bad he can build item 3930 +item 3153 and then full tank since he doesnt even need the ad anymore.

EffectFX3 votes

So basically a CC less fighter, how terrifying.

Buttigieg 202013 votes

A CC less fighter who deals 32% of the targets current health plus ~400 true damage plus 2.5 auto attacks worth of damage per second as mixed damage. Also a point and click gapcloser on a 2 second cooldown. Play one game as devouerer yi, you clearly haven't yet.

Juggernaut N3 votes

These numbers, where did you get them from?

Buttigieg 20209 votes

Double strike plus auto attack plus devouerer attack plus item 3153 is 32% of the targets current health (slightly less since it is current health so it will decrease but still a lot) + 1.5 (typo on the original) auto attacks worth of damage plus 240 magic damage from 4 devouerer procs plus 400ish true damage (I'm just guessing since I can't accurately tell) and it will reduce alpha strike cd by 4 seconds leaving it at a 2 second cd.

aaronconlin1 votes

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Too bad he can build item 3930 +item 3153 and then full tank since he doesnt even need the ad anymore.

item 3931 item 3153 item 3172 item 3065 item 3143

KoKoboto1 votes

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Too bad he can build item 3930 +item 3153 and then full tank since he doesnt even need the ad anymore.

THIS IS SO FUCKING TRUE AND RIDICULOUS HE CAN BUILD TANK AND STILL DO INSANE DAMAGEE

OxBaker20 votes

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And is still squishy as all balls with no CC aside from items and/or red buff.

Yeah, just CC him... it's that easy... ;)

Buttigieg 202013 votes

Just cc him or kill him. Tons of counterplay.

Edit: nobody understands sarcasm anymore :(

EffectFX8 votes

Pretty much applies to all damage based single target auto attackers.

Ariel the Cruel9 votes

Pretty much applies to all but 6 champions. Olaf Gangplank Morgana Kayle Tryndamere Poppy

Orangesilk6 votes

Kayle is still CCable within her ult. Make that 5.

Sinlaire3 votes

but not killable. hence the exemption i guess.

Hitchhiker0074 votes

So is Tryndamere

Orbv1 votes

Wow what?

HOW do you forget Irelia ? Her passive literally reduces CC.

DrMundo Gets tenacity from W Garen Gets tenacity from W

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

CC reduction is not CC immunity or removal. Hence why they weren't included.

Heckin Support12 votes

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And is still squishy as all balls with no CC aside from items and/or red buff.

That's funny. Good luck trying to cc him when he alpha strikes every other second.

Juggernaut N4 votes

Shyvana is far more broken than yi at the moment.

Buttigieg 202031 votes

At least Shyvana is somewhat kite able. Also doesn't deal 400 true damage per second.

Shield Villain3 votes

Shyvana is way more tanky though. Not saying Yi isn't a problem, but Shyvana would have been worse. Like a roided out Trundle.

OhthePiplup9 votes

yi can build item 3153, item 3931 and item 3031 and then full tank.

Still as op as full damage

Joe Dredd3 votes

A last whisper would do so much more than IE.

junglerboy163 votes

not really, since so much of his DPS is magic and true damage with that build, it's roughly 50% AD, 15% magic, and 35% True damage.

If anything, I'de replace the IE with a phantom dancer or a Youmuu's instead for more attack speed and crit chance (since IE isn't fabulous without other crit items).

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

50% + 15% + 45%+ = 110% total damage? Did Yi become so broke he destroyed the confines of math?!?!

junglerboy162 votes

mistyped, meant 35% true damage.

XxxLumberJackxxX3 votes

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yi can build item 3153, item 3931 and item 3031 and then full tank.

Still as op as full damage

YI CAN BUILD 3 SUPER EXPENSIVE offensive items and then go defense! OPOPOP Sorry that is just the silliest argument. THe rest is valid

Zeralyos1 votes

Devourer at 2250 is most definitely not "super expensive". Blade is pretty averagely costed. IE I'll give it to you.

Wheatloaf4 votes

Pretty sure they pulled the Shyvana nerf, and they definitely tried to pull the Xin nerf, but didn't get it done in time.

Buttigieg 20201 votes

Read the patch notes, they were both nerfed.

LankPants2 votes
Wheatloaf6 votes

No, they forgot to put them in the patch notes. They're there on the regular website now.

Wheatloaf3 votes

They updated the patch notes since I read them, looks like the Shyv nerf did go through. And I knew the Xin nerfs were in, but the comment here suggests they didn't exactly want it to. Dunno if they'll actually change it back at some point, though.

AJking1014 votes

and yet Graves can't have a cigar.

Kahti3 votes

So they're preemptively nerfing champs even though they specifically said there would never be preemptive nerfs?

I'm shocked... --_--

5050BS3 votes

Sated Devouerer is just stupid. It breaks so many champs. Before as a mid lane I could challenge a 1v1 with the likes of Yi. Now unless I kill him out right in a combo Im dead. No amount of items will save me. I have seen crap Yi's Penta kill on PBE and that should not happen.

U4fyn2vZzW3 votes

Anyone saying Shyvana and Xin are more broken then Yi with this item is pulling it straight out of their anus. Yi can literally 2 shot both of them with his mixture of insane magic and true damage and being an AD hypercarry his physical damage.

insaiyanbacca2 votes

tfw no one is noticing ww is a thing :D

DarthSpectrum2 votes

Originally, I too believed that Yi was going to be stupidly overpowered with the release of sated devourer. However, after a few games as and against him, I realized that he has only become slightly better.

For all those who claim that he is broken and theory crafts his damage, I ask if you have actually played against Yi today. Yi before Sated Devour or would kill most squishies or tanks if he manages to get on top of them, with sated devourer, he just does it slightly faster.

However, he is still just as Vulnerable to CC and damage as before. Late game, it only takes me 3 AAs from an ADC to kill him. If I am with my teammates, him engaging on me is suicide. Yi can still be stopped the same way he is stopped before. He pretty much runs in a straight line most of the time to close the gap, so just aim your CC at him.

The only real benefits so far I see from his gameplay is that he can hit his power spike much earlier since Sated Devouror stacks faster, he can fight some tanky champions that he could not before, and that he can solo baron. However, these perks are not exclusive to Yi. Today, I also saw an Udyr and Aatrox solo baron by themselves. As well, they can also handle tanky opponents, and probably in a manner much better than Yi could.

Yi sure do a lot of damage; however, he is still manageable with the right abilities.

Xin Zhao on the other hand has a kit even more mindless than Yi's. Despite Yi's kit's simplicity, Yi must watch when he Alpha strikes to avoid CC or burst, when to Meditate to mitigate the most damage, and when to E and R since his damage falls off when they expire. Xin Zhao just has to decide if he can go in or not, and perhaps when to use his ult.

From season 1, anyone can tell you that Xin Zhao is much more oppressive than Yi if he ever gets ahead. He has built in regeneration and CC; it will literally be case of him killing someone before the knock up wore off.

Shyvana has been a lackluster top laner for a while; however, as a jungler she has also been sporting an absurdly high win rate. The key to Shyvana's success in the jungle is her ability to counter jungle and blatantly 1 v 1 most junglers throughout the game. Take Yi against Shyvana, and see how often you can win in a duel. Granted, Shyvana is easily kited so the nerfs may be unwarranted. I believe that Riot is afraid of further buffing her dueling power and counter jungle potential to make the fight even more one sided than before.

Sire Hippington1 votes
  1. the problem with devourer on YI is that it enables absurd dps with just devourer+BotrK, so he can go tanly afterwards with stuff like Quicksilver oer Banshies, makeing the 'just CC and burst him' argument void, as he can tank through the burst and itemize against the cc. 2), It's still no understandable that they nerf Ws base damage rather than removing the 20% bonus to monsters if jungle shy is a problem but lane shy isn't...
Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

Theres a difference though:

Yi is shit in the current meta.

Shyv and Xin are not.

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