I'm level 5 on Xin Zhao, and I even agree that this is stupid.

warpenguin555·Jan 28, 2016·128 votes·6,976 views

i dont even know what else to say. Just context pls

EDIT: Also I thought duskblade was suppose to be melee only

73 Comments

DeathBurstJan 28, 201614 votes

Re: the EDIT: they said it would be tagged as "melee only" if it was abused by non-melee champs. Not that it would be tagged preemptively, just in case.

But yeah, I'm very perplexed by Xin buffs...

warpenguin555Jan 28, 201610 votes

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Re: the EDIT: they said it would be tagged as "melee only" if it was abused by non-melee champs. Not that it would be tagged preemptively, just in case.

But yeah, I'm very perplexed by Xin buffs...

oh thanks. Im sure we will have nothing to worry about in regards to duskblade on ranged champions. I'm Vayne sure MissFortune they Lucian won't Quinn abuse Ezreal it Tristana at Kalista all.

PennsJan 28, 20163 votes

I doubt they will because adcs first need life steal, crit and attack speed and then they probably need some defensive item. Some might build it later but as long as it doesnt get rushed on pretty much every adc I wouldnt call it "abuse"

SeargentAnusJan 28, 20167 votes

I can see Quinn abusing it. She can get away with going burst heavy items early on in the game due to the nature of her kit.

disregardableJan 28, 20163 votes

But why get it, you know? It has a 2 minute cooldown. It'll do one cool thing for you and then it's just a bunch of filler stats. Quinn needs the CDR from ER more than that passive every 2 minutes. I can see it as a 4th or 5th item, not before.

SeargentAnusJan 28, 20163 votes

It'd be a problem if it worked like an active Kindred or Kalista would abuse the crap out of the item. At least Riot is smart and put it as a Passive.

TehNACHOJan 28, 20163 votes

Yeah, but at the same time, she's not that as good at being a traditional Marksman. I'd say it's decently acceptable that a Burst based Marksman (Quinn) can synergize with a Burst orientated item.

KoKobotoJan 28, 20161 votes

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I can see abusing it. She can get away with going burst heavy items early on in the game due to the nature of her kit.

no, she needs crit in order to make use of her passive, sure she can buy it but for abusing it early game? Nah ALSO this item is useful if you're able to get down a target really low. How often are you gonna drop that frontline down a meaningful enough so that the passive is useful?

DarkRitualJan 30, 20161 votes

As top lane quinn against a melee opponent? Pretty often.

KoKobotoJan 30, 20161 votes

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As top lane quinn against a melee opponent? Pretty often.

It's a pretty balanced item tbh the 25% health isn't too noticeable out of my experience in PBE In general yeahh.... Quinn top lane players are bitches but still she most likely wont be buying it until later and I'm pretty sure you can theorize all the other cons.

Pie OtterJan 29, 20161 votes

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I can see abusing it. She can get away with going burst heavy items early on in the game due to the nature of her kit.

yeah, people saying it'll be abused on ADCs...ehh, but the more bursty ADC's like quinn and lucian actually might be able to get away with it, and I'm scared D:

DeathBurstJan 28, 20163 votes

The passive procs as soon as they do 1 single basic attack. I'm sure they won't be able to use it effectively and to chose the proper targets for this procs.

Count ZubatJan 28, 201622 votes

I wonder why you didn't mention Graves . This motherfcker will be even more scary with this item imo.

VoidgateJan 28, 201610 votes

Just two wrods: Boom Headshot Caitlyn

ChewbaccasRearJan 28, 201613 votes

The one I'm worried about is Jihn. That ensured Crit plus everything giving him AD.

Vistha KaiJan 28, 20167 votes

Jhin attacks once = ranged Zed.

Whut Thuh Jan 29, 20162 votes

jhin is the champion that can get the most ad you can get up to 1810 ad an he one shots red buff with one auto its pretty hilarius but rewquires ilke 50 kills a full team based around giving you ad and a specific build. but still hilarius so he could one shot the other adc with one auto. then do it 4 other times and reload and do it again.

CubedJusticeJan 29, 20161 votes

Jhin cannot get 1810 AD. Jesus christ. That's the equivalent of 24 bloodthirsters.

Pie OtterJan 29, 20163 votes

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Jhin cannot get 1810 AD. Jesus christ. That's the equivalent of 24 bloodthirsters.

Check his passive. It allows him to get ridiculously high AD with the use of even items like static shiv. He gains AD from well...AD, but also crit and AS. The highest i've reached though was like 1k

WolfBVJan 29, 20162 votes

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Jhin cannot get 1810 AD. Jesus christ. That's the equivalent of 24 bloodthirsters.

He can get 1810 (1880 in the video I watched) AD. But he'd need 5 IE's, a bloodthirster, and a team of Nunu Janna Taric Nidalee

VoidgateJan 28, 20162 votes

Well imagine this Late game and Cait has full build lets say item 3094 item 3085 item 3031 item 3026 item 3072 item 3006

Now she sells her boots an buys the new item. Now she stacks her passiv and in the next fight she just runs to the next soft target and blows it up with one shot.

Also her traps would be a death sentence.

BlackTh0ughtzJan 29, 20163 votes

So you're worried about a 50 minute cait being an issue with....

VoidgateJan 30, 20161 votes

I just wanna say that Cait can do alot of dmg with just one AA and that it could be a that there is a good synergy.

But thats all just Theory, I'm no Master-Player and can be wrong aswell.

KetiaXJan 28, 201610 votes

Don't worry about Graves. He kills you before the item procs anyway.

WolfenstinJan 29, 20161 votes

Oh yeah, the ADCs will be abusing the heck out of it until Riot figures out how terrible of an idea it is. As will I, on a certain unmentioned favorite of mine Twitch .

Now you can be just like that stupid assassin that kills you instantly without item 3140 , my little rat!

LeBlanc JameśJan 29, 20161 votes

I'm going to go abuse it right now!

PoskeJan 28, 201610 votes

"I am level 5 on xin zhao"

Like it matters mate...

Most of players are as good as you are on him after just 1 game...

warpenguin555Jan 28, 20169 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h6Hojvdb,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-01-28T22:44:43.932+0000)

"I am level 5 on xin zhao"

Like it matters mate...

Most of players are as good as you are on him after just 1 game...

pretty much yep lol

Vistha KaiJan 28, 20167 votes

I love those threads beginning with "I'm mastery level 5 on champion X".

It's almost like if it meant anything.

kaltenashesJan 29, 20165 votes

it does, it means i played a lot X champion

Vistha KaiJan 29, 20161 votes

That doesn't mean you can play said champion.

kaltenashesJan 29, 20162 votes

dude it takes about 30 games to get rank 5, also it doesnt mean "i cannot play that champ"

Vistha KaiJan 29, 20161 votes

You are not wrong, but...

Playing a lot =/= Playing well. Playing well =/= Playing a lot.

9kPluzZJan 28, 20165 votes

As if lvl5 on a champ meant any thing these days...

Vistha KaiJan 28, 20168 votes

More like: "As if Champion Mastery meant anything at any point."

BowstinJan 28, 20165 votes

The real question is.. who isn't level 5 on Xin?

Also PBE updates are guaranteed to be nerfed so enjoy it broski.

TohobJan 28, 20162 votes

he's a middle of the road jungler who's currently struggling to reach a 50% winrate and is outclassed by several other junglers, despite having access to the fabled item 3931 item 3124 combo.

Dominick DestineJan 28, 201612 votes

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h50% winrate

Win rate in isolation argument is meaningless.

RebonackJan 28, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h6Hojvdb,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-01-28T15:34:28.453+0000)

Win rate in isolation argument is meaningless.

Win rate is meh and pick rate is lowish. Win rate over time grows nicely into late game. Win rate by mastery is insane.

Conclusion: he could probably use some work, but these changes seem over the line.

Vistha KaiJan 28, 20162 votes

There is something such as "win rate by mastery"?

Or did you mean "winrate by games played"?

CorgiParadeJan 29, 20162 votes

Yes, there is something such as "win rate by mastery".

Vistha KaiJan 29, 20161 votes

As I haven't seen it, yet, care to mention which website has it?

DarkRitualJan 30, 20161 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/XinZhao has a graph for winrate based on #games played with them.

Vistha KaiJan 30, 20161 votes

If this is the case then I'll repeat my question:

Is there something such as "win rate by [champion] mastery" or did you mean "winrate by games played"?

Urgonnalearn2dayJan 29, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h6Hojvdb,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-01-28T15:34:28.453+0000)

Win rate in isolation argument is meaningless.

Yet it is brought up constantly on either side.

For something that is meaningless it sure is brought up all the time. In fact the only time it seems to be meaningless is when it doesn't support an argument someone is trying to make.

"Oh you provided facts? Well your facts don't count. "

Maximum MordeJan 28, 20161 votes

Buff Xin please. I want to be able to talk trash to people for playing Xin "The Free Win" Zhao.