The currently tested changes to wit's end look fun and all

Frontline Fury·Mar 28, 2019·4 votes·3,249 views

But will Yasuo recieve compensation nerfs and Warwick a new passive, since this is a core item on the former and literally the passive of the latter?

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11 Comments

Critmaster GarenMar 28, 20193 votes

garen didnt get a new passive when they put his on warmogs either.

i dont see why warwick would need a new one. plus, they stack.

Spicy RiceMar 28, 20192 votes

Uhh, wit's isn't a core item on yasuo.

At best, it's an alternate build which is only used when you are playing mid, against a team with ap mid and jung.

IllabetheMar 28, 20191 votes

You don't understand what the poster meant. Its attack speed and move speed are the same as PD. It's being made interchangeable. It only lacks crit rate. It will easily be core when it reaches live.

Spicy RiceMar 28, 20191 votes

Ok, a few things.

Most yasuo players buy shiv instead of pd. The attack speed is too important.
Buying wit's overcaps you on attspd needed for q. As such, it'd need to replace greaves in your build, but since the early attack speed is so vital to playing yasuo, and it costs 2900 gold, it can't replace it unless in specific circumstances.
You could argue it'd replace shiv/pd, but then you'd be trading 50% crit chance (and effectively 25% bonus armor pen after ulting) for some mr and 80 onhit damage/healing.

IllabetheMar 28, 20191 votes

He can easily get away with building something like item 3086 item 3031 item 3091 before finishing the Shiv.......

Warwick MainMar 28, 20191 votes

Actually a nerf to Topwick. :(

Less damage and less resist for him at a higher cost.

IllabetheMar 28, 20191 votes

On the plus side he'll heal so much he's unkillable.......

item 3065 item 3091 item 3748 item 3153 = perma topped HP.....

And if he wants to be a prick he can add item 3124 to double proc both his own innate heal plus this heal....., giving him over 400 HP per auto...

reaper4042Mar 28, 20191 votes

Im gonna try this right now

Warwick MainMar 28, 20191 votes

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On the plus side he'll heal so much he's unkillable.......

= perma topped HP.....

And if he wants to be a prick he can add to double proc both his own innate heal plus this heal....., giving him over 400 HP per auto...

Attack speed is shit on Warwick because of his W passive allowing you to reach max attack speed easily. You usually build a single attack speed item and then either tank up or go with an AD bruiser build.

Note: Lethal Tempo is also trash on WW when compared with PTA, Conqueror, or Grasp.

IllabetheMar 28, 20191 votes

Never said anything about Lethal Tempo
WW suffers from low attack speed at high HP targets
It's not about the attack speed as much as the affects applied by the items (% Current HP damage, On hit heals/Damage, On hit Heals/Damage, Phantom Hit, Armor/Mag Pen (both help WW), and the fact all these together remove the weakness he has when a champ CC's him when he tries to Q or R/dodge as an entry to a fight. If he can auto attack, he can stick, until the next round of skills are up.
What about this build isn't a tank? SV = Tank WE = Tank Titanic = Tank. The only item that isn't tank = Botrk, and conditionally a Guinsoo's if you were vs a full AP team.

You're missing the point of double healing on hit heal procs.

Warwick MainMar 28, 20191 votes

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Never said anything about Lethal Tempo

WW suffers from low attack speed at high HP targets

It's not about the attack speed as much as the affects applied by the items (% Current HP damage, On hit heals/Damage, On hit Heals/Damage, Phantom Hit, Armor/Mag Pen (both help WW), and the fact all these together remove the weakness he has when a champ CC's him when he tries to Q or R/dodge as an entry to a fight. If he can auto attack, he can stick, until the next round of skills are up.

What about this build isn't a tank? SV = Tank WE = Tank Titanic = Tank. The only item that isn't tank = Botrk, and conditionally a Guinsoo's if you were vs a full AP team.

You're missing the point of double healing on hit heal procs.

1.) Thats why it's called a note.

2.) Which is why you stack ad bruiser to Q burst with % dmg and 120% AD scaling. Also why tiamat is core item.

3.)You mostly buy on-hit to stack with his R 3x (which is bugged) so that you can shred them below 50% and utilize your W. Your Q is for sticking as well as your E. If you need anything more than that to stick to a target you get more value from item 3025 than you would item 3153 slow. Attack speed stacking WILL completely waste his W passive unless you go lethal tempo, in which case you're sacrificing damage on his Q (which also hurts your healing) and leaves him too squishy to really utilize any double healing effects (WW gets enough healing from his kit as is, but if you need more item 3812 is the best bang for your buck).

4.) SV= Tank for sure, but we live in a world where grievous wounds is everywhere making it a bit redundant. WE=Bruiser item and the new version will off far less tank utility than the current live version. Titanic is also a bruiser item. Not sure why you'd build a NEW Wits End and Guinsoo into a full AP comp when you're getting less MR and losing the MR stealing passive.