is plain stupid he is incredibly tanky while still being able to burst down a squishy champion pretty quickly and he can't even adc anymore because hes barely even a adc anymore. He was healthy before his rework and could actually do the role he was meant to do.
Darkslayer857 votesThe new graves is better, he just needs tuning.
Shadow Hazard5 votesThey need to remove one of the stat checky features of graves. tanky, range, bursty, high sustain potential.
Seenan1 votes[{quoted}](name=Shadow Hazard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h1apided,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-09-10T20:16:46.918+0000)
They need to remove one of the stat checky features of graves. tanky, range, bursty, high sustain potential.
Preferably his tankiness. And nerf how lifesteal interacts with his many shots.
Bisaknosp1 votes^THIS
WoonStruck3 votesEach shot should roll crit independently, with each shot also being a random AD value between a minimum % and maximum % of his total AD. You aren't aiming shotgun pellets, you spray a shit-load with each blast and hope it hurts. Another significant % damage reduction is applied based on distance, falling off drastically as distance is closed.
This would make him drastically weaker at a range, while keeping some of his up-close damage, incentivizing more risk to get that reward.
In addition, make it so his auto attacks function normally (1 projectile) with the same properties described above. **The additional pellets should be an on-attack effect so they do not benefit from lifesteal. **
Boom, Graves is fixed, and even gets to keep his hilariously broken E.
Jbels2 votesHey, Graves has that delightful CertainlyTouch that other champions don't
BoilTheOil4 votesdid certainlymonkey rework him?
Jbels6 votesdid certainlymonkey rework him?
CertainlyTakethismanawayfromthedesignteam reworked Graves, yes
Jeddy0171 votesI wonder what he's going to do with Warwick for his rework.
KoggyStyle1 votesoh god my main... crys
specter4242 votesI was just thinking the same thing today.
inplane2 votesI've seen one person try to play ADC Graves in Ranked.
Lets just say it wasn't very fun down at bot lane trying to Support an ADC who has piss range.
ChíckenDaddy2 votesThe thing with graves is his anti fun to Fight but really fun to play so they probably wont change him [zombie-nunu-bummed]
BoilTheOil1 votessame with kog
Zero Skill Tank1 votesMeh, after all changes both to him personally and items, Graves is fine.
There's nothing wrong with missing old Graves, but there's nothing wrong with him being different now.
ChaosThief1 votesI think that's kind of the point; Graves is not a normal ADC. He's the one who has to charge into your face, giving absolutely no care in the world for your damage while shotgunning your face down.
BoilTheOil1 votesyea but they changed him to a whole new role like what about the old graves mains?
ChaosThief1 votesWell, they did the same thing with Fiora. In the end, who really knows.
BoilTheOil5 votesuh no they didnt fiora was a top laner and still is
Troll for Trump1 votesHe was supposed to be a "burst adc" not a vampiric cowboy who doesn't care who you are.
WoonStruck1 votesIf they'd just remove his E's damage reduction, he'd be balanceable towards that.
Let him have it while in smokescreen or something. Not a higher value than Jax's ult for a potentially longer duration, without having to worry about scaling it.
His E already offers a way around his weakness via passive and mobility.
ChaosThief1 votesI would think the "vampiric" part is just the abundance of lifesteal / self sustain as of recently.
Troll for Trump1 votes
and his E's dmg reduction really help, along with his high dmg Qs and Rs healing him because of Death's Dance. 
further reduces the dmg he takes.
ShadowParker1 votesI think they aced graves' rework. I think he just needs more tuning. It'd be a shame for them to revert it.
HaloDragonX1 votesTuning how? Remove his sustain? Or free tank stats? Or mobility?
Lady Hammerlock1 votesActually graves isn't unhealthy, if they reworked him it'd probably be for the reason that Graves just has.. a role crisis per say because he is literally a majority of roles in one
BoilTheOil1 votesthe tank assassin marksman isnt unhealthy alright
Terminus Edge1 votesAll you'd accomplish by reverting Graves is making it so he's never played again, due to old Graves being mostly inferior to Lucian.
Reverting someone to a state where they aren't going to be played at all isn't really making the situation healthier. That's why they don't just revert Morde, and why Kog will likely be a subpar ADC without some more tweaking.
Getcuxcd1 votesagreed