The buff doran shield should get

BoilTheOil·Oct 29, 2016·95 votes·3,001 views

make it 50 gold cheaper so we can buy an extra potion

60 Comments

EvilUnicornLordOct 29, 201612 votes

Tanks are in a tight spot right now, their top lane being taken over by ranged/AP/skirmishers/etc. But then there is the issue of other people who will buy Doran's Shield as a starting item but aren't tanks. Vladimir , Rumble , etc.

BoilTheOilOct 29, 20161 votes

they already do buy it though

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

they do... sometimes though they might start item 2033 or item 1028 or item 1052 but typically item 1054

xWatersOct 29, 201622 votes

I don't think I've ever seen a rumble or vlad start corrupting potion lol

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20162 votes

its an option the damage they get while you consume a charge will help them early and the hp regen is nice...

its better then getting pots cuz its recharges...

EvilUnicornLordOct 29, 20169 votes

But the mana goes to waste.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20162 votes

but the hp and refillable charges plus the magic damage you get while consuming a charge

Touch of Corruption: Damaging spells and attacks burn enemy champions for 15 - 30 magic damage over 3 seconds. (Half Damage for Area of Effect or Damage over Time spells. Damage increases with champion level.)

EvilUnicornLordOct 29, 20161 votes

True, true. But it's still a bit like building Morellonomicon on Kat. The cdr and AP are so good, but the mana is a sunk cost.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20163 votes

but its just a laning staring item... not a full item like item 3165 on Katarina its an item that allows you to have sustain while in lane and be able to use it to trade back with alil extra damage.

and its refillable meaning they wouldnt have to be buying pots every back... therefore off setting the gold they would spend on item 2003 allowing them to stay in lane longer and farm more getting more gold to get more levels and get to their big items

EvilUnicornLordOct 29, 20161 votes

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying there is a sunk cost in getting it.

CatastropOct 30, 20161 votes

Yes it does, but if you make use of the damage and it's refillable nature, it ends up paying for itself.

SkiasOct 30, 20161 votes

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I don't think I've ever seen a rumble or vlad start corrupting potion lol

its actually awesome on Rumble. His early Flamespitter hits like a truck.

BoilTheOilOct 29, 20162 votes

they dont start amp tome never corruption potion maybe the ruby crystal

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20162 votes

see alot of rumbles top go item 1052 into item 3136 or build it into item 3116 to rush

and starting item 1052 on vlad isnt horrible.. if you are in relatively safe lane... being you have more ap and you get hp via buying ap through his passive so he gets a free 20 hp for getting it 20 hp early in lane is strong... and it lets him rush into his 1st big item

BoilTheOilOct 29, 20161 votes

it makes your sustain so bad

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20163 votes

i didnt say it was ideal... and the be all end off to start with and i did qualify it saying in a safe lane...

and getting to your core item faster is always better to reach your power spikes faster...

JbelsOct 29, 20161 votes

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Tanks are in a tight spot right now, their top lane being taken over by ranged/AP/skirmishers/etc. But then there is the issue of other people who will buy Doran's Shield as a starting item but aren't tanks. , , etc.

I mean, they buffed Doran's shield when that happened last time with Vlad, Rumble, Lulu, Ryze. Why not now?

The Yetii RiderOct 29, 20161 votes

Top isn't a tank's lane. Cinderhulk is the purest tank item in the game and you don't build it top.

Top is for divers and juggernauts. Jungle is for tanks.

EvilUnicornLordOct 30, 20165 votes

Err, not necessarily. While Sion and Poppy (to name a few) can jungle, some people prefer them in the top lane.

LohenngrammOct 30, 20162 votes

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Top isn't a tank's lane. Cinderhulk is the purest tank item in the game and you don't build it top.

Top is for divers and juggernauts. Jungle is for tanks.

Cinderhulk isn't the purest tank item in the game, in fact I suspect Riot's going to rework/remove it sometime in Season 7. Riot's made their itemization theory pretty clear: they want Juggernauts to stack health items and Tanks to stack resistances. Juggernauts build item 3071 , Tanks build item 3025 ; Juggernauts build item 3065 , Tanks build item 3102 . Cinderhulk is the only exception to this rule, but it's stats are eclipsed by item 3068 and most tanks forego it in favour of item 1402 as it gives them faster clears and stronger ganks.

The Yetii RiderOct 30, 20161 votes

I expect the Runic Echoes builds to stop once Strength of the Ages is out of the game. You just can't go that long without building health on a tank.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20163 votes

i like this idea.. you make it 350 gold like you can still get 3 item 2003 or item 2031 or item 1004 or item 1006 that you can use to have some kind of regen and sustain that would build into other items that your selected champ would get

but would it abuse the item 1054 item 2031 into item 2033

or effect starting items for junglers by forgoing item 1041 item 1039 by starting item 1054 item 2031 into item 2032 for super sustain and delaying til after you have the other side of your jungler item build like item 3751 item 3133 item 3113 item 1043

how would it effect certain junglers and the balance of the jungle ?

BoilTheOilOct 29, 20162 votes

yea make it 400 gold not 350

Joe ManaOct 29, 20168 votes

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oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

but the jungle changes in s7 with all the camp buffs being taken away... could see a shift in the jungle meta

FantasySniperOct 29, 20165 votes

Junglers won't care, even after all the new changes. It just doesn't make sense to forego the massive sustain and damage bonus to monsters for 60 health and 6 Hp5. The passive only works against champions.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20163 votes

but we are talking if they lower the cost of dorans shield so they could in theory start item 1054 for the free 80hp and hp regen while getting item 2031 then on they can upgrade to item 2032 and start their build path on the other side of the jungler item... like building item 1043 item 3113 item 3751 item 3133 first and then once that is built they can then finish into item 1416 item 1400 item 1402 item 1401 , instead of having to start item 1041 or item 1039 because they will all cost 350 gold in this theory

or just forgo summoner 11 all together and jungle with item 1054 item 2032

not saying it viable now...

FantasySniperOct 29, 20162 votes

Ok, let me explain this again... Would you rather have:

A. 80 health, 6 Hp5 or B. 10% Lifesteal, 25 on-hit damage, and bonus experience or C. 150% mana regen, 5 DPS, 5 Hp5, and bonus experience

All options come with a Refillable Potion or 3 pots.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20163 votes

im not saying your wrong... im just saying would it allow for a different type of build path... maybe it would make other champs who dont do well with either one of those sustain enough in jungle to scrape by

FantasySniperOct 30, 20161 votes

It wouldn't. Even if you stacked full armor in your runes, Doran's 80 HP won't matter when simply leveling up quicker give you more sustain.

it be lìke thatOct 30, 20161 votes

you wouldnt even hit level 2 off your first camp without the knife either.

The Yetii RiderOct 29, 20163 votes

Can't do that. The machete items give you bonus XP for killing monsters. If you don't start machete or Talisman you won't hit level 2 from the first camp, and without level 2 you might not even be able to solo the second camp.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20162 votes

but if you have more effective hp +80 and hp regen plus the item 2031 then you will get lvl 2 during 2nd camp and have enough hp to sustain it and solo it...

The Yetii RiderOct 29, 20163 votes

But how much longer will it take you to kill the second camp if you don't start the camp with two abilities?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20162 votes

depends on the champ... and what ability you start... dont it?

The Yetii RiderOct 29, 20162 votes

I don't think you would ever trade a level for a healthier clear. Machete hits level 4, Shield gives you level 3 from your first clear.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20162 votes

but if you can tankier and take less damage and go for the damage part of your jungler item 1st over the starting items... and then finish the jungle item

for example going item 1054 item 2031 into item 3751 item 2032 then item 1401

you could in theory stay in jungle longer and make more clears by the hp and regen...

The Yetii RiderOct 29, 20164 votes

But Riot is actively nerfing staying in the jungle longer. A camp takes 2.5 minutes to respawn starting next patch. So it's less about how healthy you can clear and more about how fast you clear.

dakota saturnOct 30, 20161 votes

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but we are talking if they lower the cost of dorans shield so they could in theory start for the free 80hp and hp regen while getting then on they can upgrade to and start their build path on the other side of the jungler item... like building first and then once that is built they can then finish into , instead of having to start or because they will all cost 350 gold in this theory

or just forgo all together and jungle with

not saying it viable now...

Downvoted w/o reading.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20164 votes

thats ok ... reading is hard for some

RiverWind0407Oct 30, 20161 votes

Got u back up to one ;)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

? lol was i downvoted again? oh no

let me go cry now

item 3070

SpecterVonBarenOct 30, 20166 votes

Plus the lack of EXP.

ProfDrDeathOct 30, 20163 votes

Which is actually the way more important part. Without the machete, you don't get level 2 after 1 camp - which is why forgetting Smite as a Jungler is so detrimental (and should come with a warning at 15 seconds).