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How am i supposed to win lane/ a skill matchup while being camped? Inactive jg 1/2 games

AMADEUSdotEXE··1 votes·816 views

And of course like almost every game i have an inactive jungler on my lane whether im fed or not. Kat vs Yasuo is extremely easy on yasuos part because of how easy it is to dodge kats daggers and ultimate. There is room for outplay but none of that matters when im getting ganked every two damn seconds. I was able to kill her with halgf my health remaining after 7 fucking (french cough) ganks. But at the very least imo this lane is in favor of yasuo as long as he plays aggressively, because at that point i become subject to poke which i could otherwise dodge when im not sitting under turret. I know im venting but this shit is really frustrating. For some reason "I" get camped constantly while damn near every game my junglr is inactive on my lane aside from dying trying to 1v1 my lanee when they have 2 levels on them or they turret dive them and die. Im legit dumbfounded on how I'm supposed to lane effectively in a lane i should theoretically be winning with minimal effort. My Yasuo needs some work here and there but with how much Kat I've been playing lately (ALOT) I know her kit and "playstyle" well enough to know that her poke is telegraphed and dogeable. tl;dr I ward Alot, ping often, and communicate with my jungler well. Believe it or not i actually dont flame them at all but i do become irritated when they ask why ive been dying so much and they forget that I was ganked countless times, they didnt help at all or offer buffs, gank, or even ward around my area when i clearly was out of wards and vulnerable. I dont expect my jg to prioritize me but jeez i'd like to know what I'm doing wrong here. I can't find a way to win lane while being camped...?

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EndlessSorcerer4 votes

Speaking as a jungler, I tend to camp any Yasuo players I see. Not only do they typically play aggressively and overextend, he tends to attract toxic players who are easy to tilt and provoke into raging. Expect to be camped.

Anyways, just ward appropriately and know how to play when being camped. Yasuo tends to outscale many opponents, so just farm up for the mid-game if need be.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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Speaking as a jungler, I tend to camp any Yasuo players I see. Not only do they typically play aggressively and overextend, he tends to attract toxic players who are easy to tilt and provoke into raging. Expect to be camped.

Anyways, just ward appropriately and know how to play when being camped. Yasuo tends to outscale many opponents, so just farm up for the mid-game if need be.

Alright thank you by the way. that might eplain it.

Quil Evrything1 votes

i voted you up, not because of your advice.. but because you always camp yasuo :)

FioraWillCarry2 votes

Are you seriously blaming your jungler for the fact that you don't ward properly or have no map awareness ? Every single time you die to a gank, camped or not, it's your fuck-up. Every time, no exceptions.

And worse, if you're being camp. That's entirely on you mate. When I play jungle, I always gank the lanes that over extend. Sometimes it happens to be the same lane multiple times and it leads to the perception that I'm camping. It's not that I'm camping them. I simply realized that person is a dumbass that keeps pushing and somehow never sees me coming. I'm not turning down free gold mate.

Ward better. If you're mid, don't just ward the bushes on the side. Ward in the river so you see the jungler coming a lot earlier and have more time to react. When you back and have extra gold, buy a control ward, put it in that river so it frees you from constantly having to re-ward when your trinket expires. And when you're farming and/or trading, stay to the warded side so that if the jungler comes from the unwarded side, you have a nice distance between you and him and you can flee into your warded river and escape or even better, bait him into a 2v1 with your jungler. It's that simple mate.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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Are you seriously blaming your jungler for the fact that you don't ward properly or have no map awareness ? Every single time you die to a gank, camped or not, it's your fuck-up. Every time, no exceptions.

And worse, if you're being camp. That's entirely on you mate. When I play jungle, I always gank the lanes that over extend. Sometimes it happens to be the same lane multiple times and it leads to the perception that I'm camping. It's not that I'm camping them. I simply realized that person is a dumbass that keeps pushing and somehow never sees me coming. I'm not turning down free gold mate.

Ward better. If you're mid, don't just ward the bushes on the side. Ward in the river so you see the jungler coming a lot earlier and have more time to react. When you back and have extra gold, buy a control ward, put it in that river so it frees you from constantly having to re-ward when your trinket expires. And when you're farming and/or trading, stay to the warded side so that if the jungler comes from the unwarded side, you have a nice distance between you and him and you can flee into your warded river and escape or even better, bait him into a 2v1 with your jungler. It's that simple mate.

Support is my best role. I ward frequently and properly. A turret dive is not my fault. neither is a gank from my blind spot. Its clear that no player can ward EVERYTHING so there is always a path to gank lane. Im bronze and I even know this (im too lazy to play ranked.) How am i supposed to not overextend in a lane thats key to survival is aggression? You obviously play jungle often because your opinion is extremely biased. I can play it effeciently enough to enter ranked with it but choose not to because the role isnt in my tastes. You do realize that a number of junglers are more than capable of ganking from multiple directions? Such as through walls? You should know this. Ward better? Explain? Should i not be buying control wards like i do, warding river like i do, warding brush like i do? Im lost... If you're going to bring up an arguement at least do me a favor and leave it unbiased. It wasnt helpful at all. And it especially doent help that most Bronze junglers barely ward in consideration for lanes and will usually use them to make sure blue and red are safe or objectives such as Dragon.

FioraWillCarry2 votes

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Support is my best role. I ward frequently and properly. A turret dive is not my fault. neither is a gank from my blind spot. Its clear that no player can ward EVERYTHING so there is always a path to gank lane. Im bronze and I even know this (im too lazy to play ranked.) How am i supposed to not overextend in a lane thats key to survival is aggression? You obviously play jungle often because your opinion is extremely biased. I can play it effeciently enough to enter ranked with it but choose not to because the role isnt in my tastes. You do realize that a number of junglers are more than capable of ganking from multiple directions? Such as through walls? You should know this. Ward better? Explain? Should i not be buying control wards like i do, warding river like i do, warding brush like i do? Im lost... If you're going to bring up an arguement at least do me a favor and leave it unbiased. It wasnt helpful at all. And it especially doent help that most Bronze junglers barely ward in consideration for lanes and will usually use them to make sure blue and red are safe or objectives such as Dragon.

If my tone seemed harsh it's because I'm extremely fed up of hearing people complain about their junglers when they get ganked repeatedly and die. I almost never die to a jungle gank more than once because I've learned to respect jungle pressure and not make myself an easy target for junglers when I don't know where they are. So I know for a fact, your jungler has nothing to do with you dying over and over to ganks because this shit doesn't happen to me. Why ? Because I know how not to make it happen.

It might sound harsh. But friend, every time you die to a gank it's your fault. If you take anything from this, let it be that. It is ALWAYS your fault. There is always something you should have done or could have done better. I'm almost willing to make an exception for a jungling Zac since his ganks can come from literally anywhere, but even so, still your fault.

I hate it in games when I have laners that feed and then proceed to curse at the poor jungler who may have even tried to support them meanwhile, I get no support from my jungler, yet somehow I manage to win my lane still. You need to get better. That's all there is to it. Stop blaming your jungler. It's not his fault.

x Kuro x1 votes

XelNaya is correct. If you are getting ganked, the responsibility lies squarely on your shoulders. That doesn't mean the ganks are always avoidable. Sometimes they are not. However, you should always ask "what could I have done differently to avoid this gank?" Once you start blaming other people, your focus moves away from getting better and instead you are just hoping for better matchmaking RNG. You're not going to get out of bronze by hoping for better teammates.

It might be the thing you could have done differently was CS better, so you'd at least take one of them out. Or be more safe about summoners earlier. Or ward the enemy jungle. Or counterpick better in champ select.

IMO, neither Kat nor Yasuo are excellent champs for a mid-laner struggling with bronze, because their skills passively push lane too much, causing you to overextend.

Ban Yasuo every game, and play Annie, Malzahar, Brand, or Syndra. They are much more forgiving midlaners who can basically "farm up to 6, then kill combo". Try to mostly just lasthit (annie is dirt easy to farm with Q), and reserve spells for harass or countering their lane push.

IMO, Annie is by far the best midlaner to master first, because her stun combo and tibburs enrage means you can usually at least kill one in a 1v2 situation. Junglers also love to gank for Annie, because her flash stun sets up free jungler assist (or ks) gold.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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XelNaya is correct. If you are getting ganked, the responsibility lies squarely on your shoulders. That doesn't mean the ganks are always avoidable. Sometimes they are not. However, you should always ask "what could I have done differently to avoid this gank?" Once you start blaming other people, your focus moves away from getting better and instead you are just hoping for better matchmaking RNG. You're not going to get out of bronze by hoping for better teammates.

It might be the thing you could have done differently was CS better, so you'd at least take one of them out. Or be more safe about summoners earlier. Or ward the enemy jungle. Or counterpick better in champ select.

IMO, neither Kat nor Yasuo are excellent champs for a mid-laner struggling with bronze, because their skills passively push lane too much, causing you to overextend.

Ban Yasuo every game, and play Annie, Malzahar, Brand, or Syndra. They are much more forgiving midlaners who can basically "farm up to 6, then kill combo". Try to mostly just lasthit (annie is dirt easy to farm with Q), and reserve spells for harass or countering their lane push.

IMO, Annie is by far the best midlaner to master first, because her stun combo and tibburs enrage means you can usually at least kill one in a 1v2 situation. Junglers also love to gank for Annie, because her flash stun sets up free jungler assist (or ks) gold.

I'm not plying ranked actually. Havent played in almost a year. Not to mention 90% of the time I play I play with my unranked friend so I'm constantly matched with players ranging from bronze to diamond (which I've won lane against mind you) so i'm not actually struggling in bronze just to clear that up. I play the game casually so picking champions because they are easier or more forgiving doesnt not suit me and sure as hell won't fix the issue i present before. My Yasuo and Kat arent pro level, but It's clear I'm experience playing them especially since 80% of my games have been Kat since her rework and I played alot of her prevously.

Catastrop1 votes

You could just roam. If the jungler is constantly ganking you, chances are that while you're roaming he's probably wasting time sitting close to mid.

Mr Killalot1 votes

I agree with the ganks being your fault. I personally love when I get camped. If the jungler's focus is solely on you, it frees up your jungler to help other lanes. Play Yas top more then mid too. He has better matchups and can escape ganks better there.

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