PSA: UDYR SCALES WITH AP

Zero Shingetsu··2 votes·1,212 views

When I build AP on Udyr - and I always do - people lose their goats on me about what a troll I am. They call me every name in the Great Lexicon of League Insults, and occasionally some things I've never been called before, all because I chose to build AP on Udyr. "WHY?!" they demand to know.

"WHY THE **** WOULD YOU BUILD AP ON UDYR YOU ******* ********** ****!???!?!?!!!?!"

I build AP on Udyr because he !!!!scales with AP!!!!. I know pretty much none of the the 60+ "Starmetal-Tier Udyr Main" NA streamers are aware of this, but !!!!Udyr has an R ability!!!!. Yeah. It's there. I know, it's shocking right? His R is actually extremely useful. It procs an area of effect pulse every 3rd basic attack that scales with 60% of his AP. This means at only 100 AP, you're getting 60 bonus damage in a cone. Further, you're getting even higher scaling from the AoE pulse that comes off him every second after activation.

What's more, his shield scales with AP. For every 100 AP, he's getting an extra 50 health out of that shield. A shield he can activate every 6 seconds. At a solid 400 AP, you're talking +200 effective HP every 6 seconds, just from that one ability.

Here's the dirty secret everyone seems to think I'm trying to keep from the community at large: Udyr is quite possibly the strongest wave clearer in the game. If and only if he builds AP. "But Shingetsu!" I hear you say. "You're an absolute dingus! If he builds AD and attack speed, he does more damage to towers! THAT'S how you splitpush!"

No, dear stranger, it is not. Anyone with attack speed can backdoor an inhibitor. The hard part is getting those turrets down, and for that, you need wave clear. Singed has nothing on AP Udyr's wave clear. Best part, this has defensive applications as well. Lost inhibis and pressured on two lanes? Don't let the enemy roam free uncontested. Send your team out while you crush the super minion waves in 4 seconds flat.

item 3115 item 3077 item 3091 item 3124 item 3117 and you'll be a splitpushing machine, let no one tell you different. And if teamfights become an issue, master the swerve in > R > swerve out strategy and you'll be bursting their whole team down while they stack armor to protect against Classic Udyr and the Season 7 Attack Destroyer Meta.

So do yourself a favor and the next time you play Udyr, start with item 1042 . It's time to unleash the true power of the phoenix.

16 Comments

BobaFlautist2 votes

AP udyr was actually briefly a meta-buukd that got nerfed for toxic gameplay.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

was that the feral flare meta?

Alzon1 votes

No, it was back when Runic Echoes first came out and had 10% MS on it.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

ah you are right. i remember now

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

why no item 3100 ?

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

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why no item 3100 ?

I suppose that's good if you wanna do more teamfighting, but I tend to focus purely on the push. :) Then again, it has its uses (such as against super minions).

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

you should go item 3001 item 3068 item 3091 item 3020 item 3124

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

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you should go item 3001 item 3068 item 3091 item 3020 item 3124

Not bad, though I consider Nashor's Tooth core. My last item is situational and I do sometimes bring Sunfire. It's got clear usefulness and also helps in teamfights, so it's often a good choice.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

i just thing with the passive of mask, witts end an sorc shoes it makes the aoe damage of sunfire strong and people dont realize the damage they are taking.

but then again i build mask /sunfire nearly every game on my main Maokai

Doge20201 votes

A good choice of keystone would be conq, it has synergy with both the AD and AP builds and with sun fire you do an extreme amount of DOT damage.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

but does it effect true damage on ap spells?

i thought it just increased your ad

i mean i have gone conqueror ad bruiser tree and out of about 13 games of it i won like 80% of them

Doge20201 votes

I think it has a lot of synergy with AP udyr because a portion of his damage is still AD, so the bonus AD gained on the proc isn’t wasted.

If you were talking about the damage conversion part, the conversion applies to all damage dealt. AD and AP damage are both affected. true damage isn’t affected by the conversion but that is because it is already true damage. You can still use tiger stance even when going AP because the base damage on tiger stance is still very high. And conq does help with getting more of that damage across.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

ok. that makes sense for a champ like UDRY who has mix damage, but stupid question ( i dont play udry ) would PTA work on him getting the passives which would increase his ap/ad damage to a target and get bonus damage?

but back to Conqueror ... i used it on maokai for a bit in top lane and out of 13 games i won like 75% of them (9) so when i proc conqueror and did damage with my spells it converted some of my magic damage into true?

Doge20201 votes

On the PTA one. It could work but it is more single target focused, which works if you are gonna 1v1 somebody while splitpushing. But conq works for me better because your fighting power is still the same if you switch targets and it helps you fight multiple people without having to proc PTA again the next target.

Think of PTA of a team focused keystone while Conq is more of the splitpush and solo carry keystone.

On the conq question. Yes that is correct, you just need to auto attack when the mark is ready to activate the conversion part.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

so my spells which do magic damage dont active it but after i auto then any damage they take (20% ) is converted to true for 3s but it still gives you ad. maybe they should let conqueror be adaptive damage so if you are ap it gives AP cuz it gives 6-35ad per lvl after you auto attack so maybe 10ap-50ap ?

ROYALR3IGN1 votes

I can't take you seriously anymore since your post about sounding like a jealous girlfriend, and reading this sounded pretty damn trolly / funny.

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