Imho a big problem in "fixing" marksmen is that they're all lumped together in the same subclass

Disulfiram·Jan 2, 2019·4 votes·3,330 views

Even though they play more similar to other subclasses than to one another: Sivir plays a lot like a battlemage Ezreal plays a lot like an artillery mage Vayne plays a lot like a skirmisher Etc

Imho the first step in actually making them viable and balanced is to finally recognize this, to finally recognize that, for example, when discussing balance Sivir is better associated with Karthus than with Jihn.

6 Comments

LTK KoRoJan 2, 20192 votes

Yes i agree with you, but another problem is that "ranged autoattack DPS" is not enough to define a class.

Leaf on BushJan 2, 20191 votes

Still trying to find out what Karthus and Sivir have in common, other than dealing damage and being ranged.

MrHaZeYoJan 2, 20191 votes

I think Jihn is more of a battlemage then Sivir lol.

PhearBunnyJan 2, 20191 votes

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I think Jihn is more of a battlemage then Sivir lol.

Jihn is a viable Hecarim.

MrHaZeYoJan 2, 20191 votes

You're not wrong lol.

deadlychuckJan 3, 20191 votes

Subclasses do this to all of the champions, not just marksmen.

Not that it necessarily matters if they have official subclasses, only if their development team actually makes changes based around these hypothetical ideal embodiment of a subclass/class rather than the actual instances of champions that can be roughly categorized into these groups.