If Kog Maw is pure damage, why do so many adc out damage him?

Occams Raiser··4 votes·1,687 views

What is the point of having extended damage when everyone else can burst you down? Am I suppose to skirmish them down? Why doesn't he have resistance or sustain? In anyone's opinion, who is the ideal support for Kog? surely Someone that heals? I would like to know some strategies on how to play Kog from some people in the know. Help a brother out before I have to put this beautiful creature to the side.

19 Comments

Craig4 votes

He specializes in tearing through tanks and just gets completely shit on by other ADs in duels or anyone with a closer or hard CC.

LOL Spammer1 votes

Honestly he gets shit on anyone with anything close to cc. Even a slow can fuck him up badly.

Z Statistic1 votes

Korean Lulu so cute.

Daxterr1 votes

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Because you need to be able to do this.

That is some good orb walking kappa

PrimeWraith2 votes

you are bronze5, everything doesnt work for you. kog does more dmg, he crits more.

LOL Spammer3 votes

Sigh

TotalJerk4 votes

OP's rank is irrelevant. Make an actual logical point.

Edit: I just looked you up and you barely made silver last season.

PrimeWraith1 votes

silver is silver man, sorry but this time you cant call anyone here a bronzie. you lose this time, just like you lose your games.

LOL Spammer1 votes

Honestly kog is in a terrible spot right now. His build is the most important thing. Once you get item 3124 you start to deal damage. That's really the only tip I can give you.

sswally1 votes

The point is he does a lot of damage, not is a good dueler. NO adc is really a good dueler.

RogueWill2 votes

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The point is he does a lot of damage, not is a good dueler. NO adc is really a good dueler.

well Kalista is great at kitting so she can potentially duel, Vayne and Quinn are actually pretty decent duelers.

sswally1 votes

I feel you, but I think you understood my point the first time.

TotalJerk1 votes

Rito is super afraid of buffing him because his kit has always had the potential of being ridiculous in a 5v5 setting, so they were holding off until the pros played him to collect data and see how he impacted the meta afterward. They aren't going for him, so I suspect at some point soon Rito's gonna just say "fuck it" and randomly buff him.

Rebonack1 votes

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Rito is super afraid of buffing him because his kit has always had the potential of being ridiculous in a 5v5 setting, so they were holding off until the pros played him to collect data and see how he impacted the meta afterward. They aren't going for him, so I suspect at some point soon Rito's gonna just say "fuck it" and randomly buff him.

The game is so tilted in favor of early-mid focused AD Casters right now that I can't imagine anyone in the Pro scene going Protect the Kog. It has always been a risky team composition and the pay-out just isn't worth the investment.

My hope is that Riot looks at the uptime on Kog's W first and foremost. Kog is great over on Dominion right now largely due to the smaller skirmishes. But over on Rift with its full on 5v5 team fights? W runs out too quickly and leaves Kog super vulnerable against whoever survived.

Zane Zephyr1 votes

I feel like the only one who enjoys playing kog >.> the other day I killed an ezreal that was like an item and a half ahead of me as well as two levels above me (i know it's ezreal but cmon)

Ashenvall1 votes

Build that :item 3124 item 3091 item 3115 item 3146 item 3153 item 1310 or item 1300 + item 2140 or item 2139 It's very effective

Rebonack1 votes

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What is the point of having extended damage when everyone else can burst you down? Am I suppose to skirmish them down? Why doesn't he have resistance or sustain? In anyone's opinion, who is the ideal support for Kog? surely Someone that heals? I would like to know some strategies on how to play Kog from some people in the know. Help a brother out before I have to put this beautiful creature to the side.

To rather belatedly answer your question, OP, Kog works well with Janna (peel and shields, convince her to get Ardent) and with Braum (procs his passive VERY fast, then go to town). In terms of build, Rageblade should be your first item. Depending on the matchup you can lead with Pickaxe to farm under your tower more easily or Blasting Wand to give your Q and E a bit more bite.

Once Rageblade is done, try to avoid trading or duels unless you have Rageblade stacked. When Kog has Rageblade charged jumping on him is suicide for a large selection of the cast. Only pop his W when you know that you can commit to a fight. If your opponent can bait it out and then back off, you'll be helpless for a while.

I would advise against Hurricane, Rageblade affords you plenty of pushing power and Crit is largely wasted on Kog since he doesn't invest in Infinity Edge. Full build you're looking at something like item 3124 item 3047 item 3091 item 3153 item 3071 item 3022. With IAS runes you should be approaching 4.0 attack speed when Rageblade is capped which, frankly, is plenty. You'll be able to take hits decently, which will afford even the least coordinated of teams plenty of time to peel for you in the inevitable event that you're pounced on.

Kog has the second strongest global taunt in the game, with only Teemo ahead of him. People will dive you without looking at your items. And then they'll die, because you'll be able to survive a full rotation from most of the cast. Only use your Q when you know you can tag someone with it. It makes a HUGE difference, trust me. Never use your Ult to poke unless you're just trying to get vision on someone. Save it for targets that are below half HP. When you're wailing on things with your W, keep track of how fast their HP is dropping and lob an Ult so that it lands about the time they hit 25% HP for an insta-gib.

Don't go anywhere without vision.

Don't go anywhere alone.

Don't go anywhere without vision, seriously.

And for your questions about Kog's state of balance?

Well...

Riot was expecting Kog to be crazy-strong when he went live.

Instead he ended up with a sub-40% win rate and had to be hot-fix buffed. Expect more buffs in the near future when it becomes clear that he's totally underwhelming at the LCS level, too. Kog isn't terrible right now, but he is sub-par compared to most other ADC picks. Do not pick him into Graves. Do not pick him into Ezreal. He does decently against Vayne and MF, though.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I appreciate the thought you put into it. I will look into it.

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