Fizz should have a shield (Yes I'm insane, but there's a method to my madness)

Ralanr··7 votes·739 views

You're an idiot

This is probably your first thoughts when coming to this thread. If not then I was probably too tame in my assumption. But do not worry my fellow salt mine workers! For while I am an idiot, I am unashamed to share my ideas!

Now Fizz. Fizz, Fizz, Fizz. As much as I would love for this fish to be gutted like the...well, fish that he is, no champion deserves such treatment unless they really need a full VGU (Hi Mordekaiser/Akali).

Now as you can tell, I don't like Fizz. But I've hated him long before tank Fizz. I hate his damn untargetablilty on low cooldown on top of his other mobility. But you know what I truly despise?

The fact that his mobility is more or less fine.

Checks bullet proof vest

Ok. So yeah, I think Fizz's mobility is fine. It defines him as a slippery bastard. What I don't think is fine is how surprisingly durable Fizz can actually be because of how his passive works.

"But it hardly reduces any damage."

Thing is, his passive isn't even easy to notice. People mainly assume his passive is just avoiding creepblock, failing to realize he's more durable than he appears.

And imo, that's unhealthy. I think it'd be healthier if Fizz's moment of durability was more noticeable for his opponent instead of being always on.

My solution? RRRRRRRRRakan's passive!

Rakan has a shield passive that comes back eventually after breaking. I think a similar passive would make sense on Fizz because it provides a window of power for him and his opponents.

As for how to make it not a carbon copy of Rakan? Frankly I have no idea. Perhaps make it so he avoids unit collision when his shield is up (fluffing it as slime. Everyone likes slime/oil) but frankly that might be a gutting.

Thoughts? Share and discuss my fellow sailors of the Dead Sea!

19 Comments

CallerOfDoom5 votes

His passive is fine at least until full rework, Shields are not healthy on Assassins, especially if they get fed.

Ralanr2 votes

Doesn't have to be a shield. Just something that makes his defensive power easier to notice and offer clear windows.

UnboundHades1 votes

the fin of his shark swimming around his feet would show that he has the buff and when he ults the fin chases the bait making fizz lose s passive buff for a certain amount of time after the shark is used depending on the ult level

Ralanr1 votes

Wait is that actually a thing?

UnboundHades1 votes

no just my idea that way his passive could get a small buff and when he ults he loses the defense and walking through minions for his ulti damage

LostFr0st2 votes

What about reverse connecting it to his ult being on cd? He needs it for laning phase mostly doesn't he?

Derfel2 votes

Nah, according to the yasuo weeb meme if you want Fizz to be a squishy AP as intended he should have 2x free crit.

Zielmann1 votes

I see where you're coming from, but a shield is also a lot more effective than reducing incoming basic attack damage. You'd be giving him durability against any opponent, not just those more reliant on basic attacks for damage. He would need a compensation nerf somewhere in exchange for this.

But I also feel like it would make him even more frustrating to play against. He's already hard enough to hit with anything. Stick a passive shield on him, and it'll feel almost pointless to even try to do anything to him any time it's up.

Ralanr1 votes

Perhaps, but I think an obvious window of weakness might make him less frustrating to fight.

Zielmann1 votes

For the sake of clarity, definitely agree with that. Just saying that since shields are more universally useful, he'd need some manner of nerf alongside it.

Alternatively, I could see making the damage reduction something associated with his W mark, instead of just being an always-on passive. You could possibly even make it a stronger damage reduction, since it's something he'll only get against his chosen target for a brief time.

Penns1 votes

The insane idea: He should have Rakan passive that lets him block the next incoming auto attack every x seconds.

Not sure if that would work with minion aggro tho because you pretty much cant avoid taking it in mid lane trades and maybe its stronger against minions than I think.

Ralanr1 votes

Think Pantheon's passive but not blocking tower shots then.

Edit: Cannon minions would break it.

Penns1 votes

not blocking tower shots

Now that you mention it... Dodge tower shots with passive and E for early dives... https://i.ytimg.com/vi/soL_gNXBtDI/hqdefault.jpg

Ok ok, maybe he doesnt need that.

######maybe

MrHaZeYo1 votes

So like Yas?

Ralanr1 votes

Technically yes but I want to introduce some scaling and poor base so Fizz has to build AP for it.

Awhegark1 votes

Dude what? That would be utter cancer. When build as assassin Fizz usually gets about 600 AP.

junglerboy161 votes

Sooooo

give it a really shitty base (like 20 +5 per level) and a 20% AP ratio.

There you go, the fish has a wimpy shield that comes back every once in a while, instead of flat out damage reduction all the time.

Divewing1 votes

In Fizz's case there's no magic 1-hit-wonder fix that will make him balanced. The iconic thing's about him (on hit damage, trollpole, shark) are all toxic. Only a full rework can/will address this.

It's a nice effort, but Fizz needs a LOT more than his passive changed

Troll for Trump1 votes

You don't want him to have a shield in lane, because he's not supposed to have safe farming.

It's like old Talon, where you have to play really safe, and wait for an opportunity to the kill the opponent. Or current Kassadin

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