Deaths Dance. why the item isnt nearly as cool as it should be @meddler and whoever designe the item

Affinity2·10/29/2015, 8:47:11 PM·1 votes·10,467 views

Let me preface this by showing what the item actually does

source: http://leaguesetify.com/builder/patch/5.22.1/

Deaths Dance- 3400 gold +65 AD +10% CDR unique passive: Dealing physical damage heals for 12% of the damage dealt (33% EFFECTIVENESS FOR MULTI TARGET EFFECTS) unique passive: 20 percent of damage taken is dealt as a bleed effect over 5 seconds instead

ok now here is a cross post of mine from a theory crafting site ROG


DEATHS DANCE THE MOST WORTHLESS ITEM IN THE SHOP. 300 less gold than bt for 8% less lifesteal and 10 less damage in exchange for 10 percent cdr which is very available already for adc's this patch and the 20 percent reduction passive instead of the shield and BT shield is pretty good

list of single target physical damage sources that dont already apply on hit affects. keep in mnid if an ability applies on hit affects hyrda or bt is most likely more beneficial given the stats of the item.

Muramana and trin force users benefit. its not good with botkr compared to BT

-cait R because u need phys damage spellvamp insteaad of LS -eve e because she has so much physical damage to benefit from the regen -mini gnar e -Gragas e -Graves ??????????????? i dont think his aa gives u more than BT would based on the proc description -hecarim e because he wont be topped off when hitting his e and get diminishing returns because of aoe q -J4 passive again opener damage might be passible -jax q -jayce knockback on e -kallista q her e is multi target -kha zix q one of the few champs that works with the item very few -lee sin already has spellvamp and benefits from hydra waaaaay more -lucian R gonna be mediocre on him BT is just as good -MF double tap second hit???? -Naut passive -panth Q not that good on him over other items -quinn passive and e possibly better than a bt -rengar e but prob gets more use out of hydra -reksai e but he wants the true damage part -talon q part 2 not part 1 because part 1 benefits from ls -shaco knife -udyr tiger -urgot the one of 5 users who want this over other items the only one fore SURE that wants it over other items besides possibly kha and yorick -vayne e -vi q -yorick qe and r probably usable

so of the practical users we have like 6 champs olaf (because of the defensive passive) yorick hecarim kha for melee quinn urgot jayce and ezreal for ranged and possibly graves


Back at the beginning of season 3 they tested out lord van dams pillager which had AD and spellvamp AT THE TIME.

The big reason this item never hit Summoners rift i because it benefited olaf and lee sin more than characters like talon and so we got black cleavers and other items. Now again we see champions who we dont want abusing it to be the only plausible users

s5 comes in and we get item 2140 the item they are now imitating with deaths dance. Riot now has a huge sample size of the effect that we want. healing off of physical damage without diminishing returns in an aoe

I fully believe riot has the capability to balance Deaths dance to be a damage item available to a larger portion of the cast than i listed above especially given the data they received from item 2140


TLDR: deaths dance doesnt heal as much on aoe spells and there arent very many single target physical damage spells that dont already apply lifesteal when they hit making deaths dance a bad item in regards to both playpattern and cost efficiency except on a few abusive outliers like yorick and olaf.

hecarim already heals in an aoe for all the damage he deals with no diminishing effect

16 Comments

NoBootsAllowed10/29/2015, 8:59:34 PM2 votes

and how is this item on rivens basic combo.. aa q aa qaa qaa ? it should work quit well with her

MealReadytoEat10/29/2015, 9:13:18 PM1 votes

The 20% damage to DoT shits on assassins though. Survive the burst, and vamp enough to live.

Zorae4210/29/2015, 9:37:16 PM1 votes

Varus

Yes his Q is AE, but if you're going AD caster Varus, that's where most of your dmg is coming from. You hardly ever AA.

Rebonack10/29/2015, 9:43:49 PM1 votes

I'll reiterate that this thing is going to be dumb on AD Malz.

Can't stop the sustain, can't burst him down.

The reign of Crabs has come.

Cl1337AH11/11/2015, 1:00:08 AM1 votes

Man ur dumb This item is good at all Did you even look at 2nd passive which delays dmg Thats aldeady worth a junk of gold And did you think about the fact, that a aoe spells are reduced for a reason If you hit some minions besides your main target your calculation looks different If you maybe do a zed combo into an enemy and minion wave you'll be able to heal a few hundred health and for example if his ult does about 1000 dmg it will ensure you a much safer escape for shure

Alzon11/13/2015, 9:57:49 AM1 votes

Um. AD Malzahar Malzahar would like a word with you.

Princess Nikki11/14/2015, 9:06:30 AM1 votes

I can see it working pretty well on Sivir now. Her ricochet should apply the full 12% lifesteal on all targets hits so she can heal up quite a lot. The cdr is also great on her.

EDIT: Now I think about it I don't know if it'll apply the 4% or the 12%. It's not an AoE and applys stacks of manamune passive but have yet to test it out.

Czmag12/12/2015, 9:29:52 PM1 votes

Its better than BT because it will heal you for non auto attack spell like a Yasuo tornado

7ha7guy77710/29/2015, 8:59:03 PM1 votes

AD Malzahar is going to love this item.

my name is Jay4/11/2016, 11:10:51 PM1 votes

For everyone talking about Riven...if you were in a creep wave you would be doing the damage to as many minions as you hit! <3 think about itZilean