If Aatrox got reworked because he was a stat-check champion, what about Jax?

Rαy·3/5/2019, 8:02:47 PM·3 votes·2,233 views

Credit to summoners who made me realize this:

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If you don't have a dash you can't dodge his stun without blowing flash, then if he has more stats than you, boom he stat checks you do death.

Plenty of champs can't fight him during his E, but he can sit there and beat you to death for some reason. By the time his E is finished, you're mostly dead so you can't fight back even after it.

His W is just "do more damage" with 0 interactivity or ways to avoid it.

His jump lets him fight only on his own terms, and there's no way to outplay. Once he has it maxed, you can't run from him most of the time.

His ult is just "get more stats" with a do more damage passive.

His passive just gives him more attack speed, for using auto-attacks. Wow, so interactive.

Jax is the epitome of a stat check, if he isn't one, who is?

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Neko Siren3/5/2019, 8:18:28 PM4 votes

Aatrox

Who on here can actually deliver the damage he's supposed to without outside help or major cc on your target?

Who here is able to be effective in team fights outside of your ult?

Does Riot play test ANYTHING themselves before it goes live? Aatrox is in a terrible state.

His cast time is so slow and telegraphed that he can't combo his Q's without a hard stun already on his target, can just be walked out of.
His dash only has one charge meaning he's completely fucked if he goes in, and he can't follow up without that second charge on further Q's, especially the 3rd as it's a straight circle and the hit box is worse than the two previous. Again, can just be walked out of with little effort or worry.
His Chain is slow to apply, and easily walked. out. of.
his ult is not instant, fears minions, but otherwise does no damage upon activation, and he can die mid cast from burst. It's again, way too telegraphed for how slow it is and easily kited and baited.
Less base health than fucking
Itemization revolves around to have barely any ability to live. His base damage and scaling are easily mitigated with (What litle of it he can actually hit you with)

What is he supposed to be good for now? Why would anyone ever pick this champion outside of support? Oddly enough, I've had more luck taking him bot as support since there he has HELP and can afford to all in a bit and build tanky. I run Grasp and self healing runes from Domination to great effect. This is messed up Riot. FIX HIM.

5050BS3/5/2019, 8:29:21 PM2 votes

Or Udyr or Tryndamere

Lovelle3/5/2019, 8:56:38 PM1 votes

He didn't get reworked because he was a "stat-check" champion, but because his kit was very difficult to make work in most scenarios.

To put it into perspective, Aatrox was seen as borderline useless on Dominion, a mode where nearly every champion worked and even had multiple builds.

Quite a large portion of the roster are "stat-check" champions, especially most of the marksmen.

Quepha3/5/2019, 10:33:49 PM1 votes

Aatrox was a bullying statcheck who fell off. You go out to lane, jump on people, and win for a while and hope you win hard enough that the game ends before you become useless. When Aatrox is strong is the same phase of the game where you’re just stuck with your lane opponent and have no objectives to fight over or teammates to maneuver around. That doesn’t really feel like you’re playing a game and the matches he wins feel like really discouraging stomps.

Jax is a scaling statcheck. At the start of the game he has no good farming or harass tools, is pretty vulnerable to ganks, and probably won’t win 1v1s unless the enemy fails to harass him and makes a big error. He has to dodge abilities and sneak in cs whenever possible and try to stall the game until his scaling kicks in. Then he becomes strong and starts to turn the game around. When he becomes strong is when the game becomes more complicated in other ways, he can still be outnumbered and killed, outmaneuvered and lose objectives, or fail an engage without backup due to bad communication. Even if his actual kit is pretty basic, his matches are still overall complex and dynamic.

daeD sI xortaA6/12/2019, 1:30:46 AM1 votes

aatrox literally loses to anything that can get into his face his inner Q's do no damage and there for cannot heal him and also since his Q's take a millenia to land you can easily just keep walking behind him to dodge them or just wait till his waste it on minions then dumpster him 14 seconds on his Only damage ability btw meanwhile trynd can crit you hard level 1 and jax can mawl you with his Q and conqerer old aatrox can duel anybody and has reliable cc and escape. riven 2.0 Aatrox ? has nothing. no escapes shit dash no real cc i mean 0.25? serously? and here goes fiora buffs with a random 2 second stun like why does she need 2 seconds and aatrox gets 0 seconds?!?!?! also aatrox cant use his third Q on fiora cuz he will get stunned for 2 seconds then dies so there goes all his damage riven can just bum rush aatrox and aatrox cant get all his sweet spots on her he cant chase her and he cant run from her. jax and just simply E Q on aatrox and hes dead trynd E W bum rush him hes head he does no fucking damage and cant run away now riot is taking his revive away? his only way of dealing with these brain dead champs? [zombie-brand-mindblown]