So it looks like we're no longer allowed to reroll our shards into random permanent champs? Is there a reason for this?
I saved my really low valued BE champ shards and now that was just pointless because I would have gotten more had I disenchanted them before the preseason...
hazerddex1 votesbasically you need BE to get a random champion now
YerroFever1 votesbasically you need BE to get a random champion now
I know but the value of holding onto champ shards that you already had or were low value was that you could maximize your gain by rerolling them into a champ you didn't have... which was most likely going to be higher value than the champ shards you had used to make the champ....
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For example: say you'd get like 3 shards worth 90 BE. Disenchanting them would yield you 270 BE, while rerolling them into a champ could be worth 3K
BubblyRainbows2 votesThat's exactly why they took away the ability to reroll them. If they can't limit your BE gains to the point where you get frustrated and buy champions with RP, they can't make any money. The new system is apparently intended to be a real grind. If they irritate people enough by slowing champion gain, people might finally say "F*** it. I'll just buy the champs I want."
YerroFever3 votes[{quoted}](name=Amy the Raven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gciG9x3T,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-13T00:16:48.696+0000)
That's exactly why they took away the ability to reroll them. If they can't limit your BE gains to the point where you get frustrated and buy champions with RP, they can't make any money. The new system is apparently intended to be a real grind. If they irritate people enough by slowing champion gain, people might finally say "F*** it. I'll just buy the champs I want."
[sg-janna]
Naqel1 votesDo not listen to that guy.
The real reason is that you now get a lot more shards, so if you were able to re-roll them, you'd be swimming in champions by the end of the month, which isn't really the goal they set out for with the new progression system.
Kai Guy1 votesWell, How exactly did you get your shards? if you got them with IP your looking at a cost of 5100 IP for a reroll. Currently BE can be used for mystery champions for under 4k BE. Your getting many more shards randomly from leveling up now so ones for champs you want are valuable for the discount in BE they provide as there will be much higher BE generation after Ip got tied into it.
So in both cases your winning unless you own all but some 10 ish champs. Only then was your ability to reroll 5100 ip into 6300 or 7800 champions nerfed... Everybody else is ok and has lower Costs and more opportunity's to unlock champions.
BubblyRainbows1 votesI only need 14 more champs.
Edit: And yes, I'm getting a bunch of cheap shards I don't want or need now (haven't received a shard for a champ that costs more than 1350 yet), and when disenchanted I receive next to no BE. At the rate it's going, I'll have less than half of the price of Zoe when she comes out.
Kai Guy1 votesI have to ask some quick questions.
BubblyRainbows1 votes1: No, I had no surplus shards. I used to reroll any shards I got from chests to unlock champs. I didn't care which champ. When preseason was about to start, I had only one shard, so I disenchanted it for the 6.5x BE multiplier.
2: Yes. I only care about finishing my collection. My OCD demands it (and I mean that literally, not as an "it bugs my OCD" meme/joke. I have OCD, among other things, and completing collections is something I'm compulsively driven to do.) And actually, I see no point to mastery emotes at all. I unlocked two, and that was before I realized you could reroll champion shards to permanently unlock a champion. I thought you rerolled three to get a new random shard. So I had the tokens for mastery six Lux/Veigar, so when I got a Lux and Viegar shard, I was like... cool! I guess I'll use the shard for the mastery. Mastery 5 is fine with me. I'd rather spend my BE/Shards on champs any day.
Edit: Actually, if you could disenchant the Mastery tokens or whatever they are called for BE, I'd be VERY happy. I have two Lux mastery tokens, one soraka, one MF and one Leona just sitting in my inventory that I will never trade in for mastery six until I have all the champs and no other use for the BE/shards.
3: Again, yes. I haven't managed to unlock a chest in over a month. So at the moment my only awards are coming from capsules on level up.
Kai Guy1 votesWell then mate all I can say is that this change was truly not in your favor and its gonna take you longer to grind your last champions because of it. you can reduce this some by using mystery champions with BE, but wait for Zoe to come out to maximize your potential value from this. The removal and changes are good for a lot of folks who have low champion pools and only really hurt folks close to the final few champs to unlock like myself and you. Even then its not like we are really being punished, we just have to experience what the grind is like for every other player whos still had to grind Ip for the champion they wanted, loss of an advantage on them or a privilege or what ever you wanna call it.
So its a shame, you are disadvantaged by the changes but others gain from it.
BubblyRainbows2 votesYeah. I do not like the new changes. But my biggest gripes are more about two things:
First, receiving rewards only on level up makes it FEEL like you're not making any progress. Whether you're actually earning more or less than the old IP rewards is irrelevant. You used to be able to watch your IP go up game by game. It felt like progress toward whatever you were trying to get.
Second, your reward is based on RNG. Which is an awful feeling in ANY game. Lucky people get an amazing BE boost when they level up because they got the exact champ shard they want, or they got one of the most expensive shards that they can disenchant for a lot of BE. Unlucky people like me get the cheapest possible value and it barely seems worth it. (I have received almost all 450 IP champ shards so far with level ups, plus one Morgana shard and one Janna shard... so I think I'm pretty close to the bottom of possible rewards). I feel it would be better if the rewards were standardized. Give out random shards, fine, but they should all add up to a specific BE gain.
Kai Guy1 votesThey are adding some BE to First win of the day now. RNG is there but low value shards come bundled with others, your never gonna see worse then 810 BE gain from a level up and varying amounts of 900 Be is what a majority of level ups will be. You will also get milestone rewards, I personally am not banking on them to be huge or make the system feel any better but I'm still objective enough to see they will help somewhat with Be gain.
Its not a specific number but you can reliably assume that ever level up is more then or same as 810BE.
Like I said, it now helps players trying to unlock more content who have lower content, its not a benefit for folks like you and myself.
BubblyRainbows1 votesAgreed. I'm not arguing against your viewpoint or anything. Just frustrated that my personal approach to league is now possibly the worst way to go about unlocking those last champions. People who log on once a day, get first win, and log off, every day, level up faster and get their 810 BE in fewer games than someone like me who doesn't play every single day, but tends to play a lot of games in one day. I play more games overall, for lower gain per game.
I don't know the exact numbers, so these are estimates, but if leveling up requires 4000xp, someone who just does first win every day gets 600xp per day and levels up after 7 games. If I play 7 games, I get 600 xp for the first one and maybe 150 (average between wins and losses) after that, which is only 1500xp. so I have to play like 2 and a half times as many games for the same reward.
Sucks for people (of any level or collection completion) who can't find the time to claim that first win every day.
Kai Guy1 votesKudos! your not wrong still. I do want to add that it also totally sucks for the people who are playing as much as you and on chronic loss streaks and cant claim first win simply because they just cant win. I can only assume they feel punished for being bad. I suppose if it becomes a frequent issue riot might break that missions EXP into a daily First game as well as a first win mission. Dunno, I don't know if its ever gonna be frequent enough of an issue for it to be treated as statistically significant.
May I recommend you keep an eye on DEV boards and see if you can catch a red.
BubblyRainbows1 votesOn the plus side, if you really need that first win, bot games work. Just go stomp the AI and claim it before you start pvp for the day.
elijahsilvercrow1 votesso my get the new champ for free with shards is gone oh well ill just get zoe with the 158k BE i have...welp now to wait till next champ release so i can buy that with BE. [cass-cry]