Does Riot owe you anything for $ spent on in-game purchases after a permaban?

YerroFever·May 3, 2017·96 votes·8,317 views

I see a lot of people complaining about their permabanned accounts and how they spent X dollars on their account purchasing RP so Riot must refund them their money.

**The answer is no. **

You don't own your account. You don't own skins. You don't own champs. You do not own icons. You don't own the hextech loot items (any and all things earned and/or used in the hextech loot crafting system). Riot owes you no money when you violate the EULA and/or TOS and get your account permabanned.

Stop trying to get people's support because you spent money. When you agreed to the EULA and TOS, you agreed to let Riot revoke your license to Riot's intellectual property when you break their rules.

Long answer: When you download and play League of Legends, you are agreeing that you are entering into a licensing agreement and you don't actually own anything. You are just accessing their things. That big thing you click agree to without reading.... yeah, that's a limited licensing agreement.

Now some are going to say "but wait, I purchased RP from Riot!" If you read your EULA and TOS, you actually licensed RP from Riot. You purchased a license to use the in game item called "RP," which is an in game currency to access materials. You don't own that RP.

This RP purchasing system is most likely done for convenience sake so that they aren't burdened with micro-transactions with financial institutions for buying 1 skin and buying 1 chest and buying 1 icon and potentially getting hit with fees three times.Sometimes processing companies that do % fees and sometimes they do a flat fee and sometimes they do a mix. So for convenience sake, they say "everything has a RP value, so once you license the RP, you choose how to use it" and potentially get hit once with a fee. I'm not privy to their finances but for argument sake, say they have a flat $0.25 fee for each transaction. It ends up being crappy to get hit for $0.25 for something that costs $0.50. Three $0.50 purchases nets $0.75 vs getting a $1.50 purchase of RP and getting it by a $0.25 fee, making their net $1.25. Again this is just a hypothetical and I do not know their payment system, but there's at least one plausible explanation as to why the RP system is in place. It also probably has something to do with psychology of buying things. It's easier to crack down on purchases when you see a huge list of Riot purchases on your financial statements but one purchase every now and then makes it easier to justify.

Now, lets compare things you have accessed with RP to real life things.

Example 1: Compare this to a ticket to an amusement park. Your ticket is your license to access the park, just RP is a license to access in game content. It's understood that there are park rules and they're posted. This is like the EULA and TOS. Even though you may not know the rules word for word, you have a general understanding that you shouldn't do certain things in the park. So with that ticket (ie your LOL account) you have access to several different rides (maps, champs, skins, etc). Just because you bought an all day ticket and went on one ride over and over all day long, and then started screaming and harassing other patrons, doesn't mean you can't get kicked out. If you're screaming at other amusement park patrons and harassing them, the park can revoke your license to enter and remain in the park (ie kick you out) and keep your money. When you get kicked out, you can't say "well I didn't use the pass to access other parts of the park so you owe me a refund for the unused portion of my pass." You chose to not spend all of your RP before being a jerk and so when your license is revoked, it's your fault for not using the RP to the fullest extent while you had the license and access to it. The park owes you nothing after kicking you out for breaking their rules. Riot owes you nothing for permabanning you when you break their rules.

If you don't understand the previous analogy Example 2: Compare it to a lease to an apartment. Riot owns the apartment building and you are leasing a fully furnished room there. The lease is the EULA & TOS and the apartment is your account. You can all go down to the rec rooms and go into your lanes and play with each other. There's also a costume store that lets you rent costumes for an unlimited amount of time so you look cooler to your friends when you're playing with them. At the end of the day, even though you're spending real money renting an apartment and renting a costume, you don't own that apartment and you don't own that costume. If the lease says that you can't run up to fellow tenants and scream and harass other tenants, then you can be evicted from that apartment complex if you do scream and harass them. You agreed to those terms in your lease and agreed to let Riot be the judge, jury, and executioner in your lease. When you get evicted from an apartment, the apartment complex owes you nothing for the money you spent while living in their space. You don't get a refund for the years you spent living there. The apartment complex owes you nothing after you broke their rules and got evicted. Riot owes you nothing for permabanning you when you break their rules.

You have a limited license to access Riot's intellectual property. You do not own anything and you even agreed to let Riot revoke your access to their game and content for breaking their rules. You are responsible for your own actions and if your actions lead to a revocation of the license to access their game and content, then it's your fault you lost money. If you spent money you should do everything you can to make sure you can keep accessing that stuff by not being a toxic player because you don't own anything here.

EDIT: There are several posts about lack of testing the case law and not reading subsequent comments on all of the pages so here are the links:

last year someone tried to sue another big company.

Here is the complaint: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2943889/july7filing.pdf (click on the icon)

Here is the case progression: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/15127781/CB_v_Valve_Corporation

The case was voluntarily dismissed by the cheater who used third party programs and lost their skins after the permaban. As stated in the comments, in Federal Court, if you lose, in many cases, the losing party has to pay the winning party's legal fees. In a voluntary dismissal, you can almost always get the case dismissed to have each party bear their own costs, which means they only pay their own legal fees and walk away. In many cases with large companies, legal fees through trial can be in the millions. Each firm bills at different rates but I can tell you it's very expensive.

139 Comments

Eternal TormentMay 3, 201720 votes

this is very accurate, precise and correct. but the sad Thing is the people you address in this post are not even gonna read past the the answer is no before downvoting and angrily stomping away i fear. it wouldn't be this much of an issue if you could reason with them, after all.

RainfallMay 3, 20178 votes

The actual answer is no,because riot has a team of highly paid lawyers ,their ToS states that even RECORDINGS of a game are property of riot games and you wonder why every account is riot's property?. Permabans along with other reasons are why i do not and never will spend money on this game. Such a high permaban ratio did not exist when i started playing league of legends,maybe some day it will get even worse and they will start banning even more people. P.S. i know i will get downvoted to hell,some people cant handle diferent opinions or points of view of a subject.

NichtHurzMay 3, 201712 votes

Seriously, I don't get it. I'm playing this game since November 2009, with a few interruptions, but I've never been banned, I've never been chat restricted or anything. I know there have been unjustified permabans, but the majority are rightfully banned...it isn't that hard to not get banned or punished. People act as if it was a challenge to not get banned even though it's fucking easy.

RainfallMay 3, 20175 votes

after you get your first chat restriction its pretty easy to scale up the system,eventualy you have a couple of bad games were you get reported by your team for "feeding" the system finds keywords in your chat like "troll" or stuff like that and gives you a punishment.

JoxcabMay 3, 20177 votes

No, false reports don't do anything. And you have no reason to say the word troll outside of describing a Trundle.

PaquayMay 3, 201711 votes

Permabans seem to be your top reason for not spending money on the game. That's flawed logic. Permabans should be your top reason not to do stupid shit that gets you banned.

ElikainMay 3, 20173 votes

Such a high permaban ratio did not exist when i started playing league of legends

I have no idea where you're getting your information from but that simply isn't true. Permabanned accounts only account for the absolute minority of people.

CagniantMay 5, 20172 votes

because it was said by RIOT right? And you do believe them without asking a programm code proof?

ElikainMay 5, 20173 votes

I believe Riot more than a random user on their boards, talking about this without any proof.

IcyPepperMay 5, 20172 votes

Such a high permaban ratio

It's not that high...?

P.S. i know i will get downvoted to hell,some people cant handle diferent opinions or points of view of a subject.

Bruh, you're kind of being hypocrtical here, downvotes are an expression of opinion. They're just not contributing to the conversation, but they're expressing a different opinion. Handle the fact people disagree with you or have different points of view, but don't want to spend time typing long-winded responses.

Hyrum GraffMay 3, 20179 votes

This RP purchasing system is most likely done for convenience sake so that they aren't burdened with micro-transactions with financial institutions

I'm sure this is part of it, but

It's easier to crack down on purchases when you see a huge list of Riot purchases on your financial statements but one purchase every now and then makes it easier to justify.

This is the real reason. If they were primarily interested in grouping microtransactions, they'd just make 1 RP = 1 cent; using a different currency makes it harder for people to do value comparisons with the real world. Eg, 1820 RP might seem like a reasonable price for a skin, but a lot of people wouldn't buy it if it said $12.50 instead.

Scary DoorMay 3, 20178 votes

While I agree with the sentiment that you're trying to project here, there are a couple of issues...

The people that already know this don't really need to hear it/read it.
The people that don't know this will ignore your thread much in the same way that they ignore the ToS/EULA.

So, you're ostensibly preaching to the choir.

With all of that having been said, there's an additional issue with your analogy.

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If you don't understand the previous analogy Example 2: Compare it to a lease to an apartment. Riot owns the apartment building and you are leasing a fully furnished room there. The lease is the EULA & TOS and the apartment is your account. You can all go down to the rec rooms and go into your lanes and play with each other. There's also a costume store that lets you rent costumes for an unlimited amount of time so you look cooler to your friends when you're playing with them. At the end of the day, even though you're spending real money renting an apartment and renting a costume, you don't own that apartment and you don't own that costume. If the lease says that you can't run up to fellow tenants and scream and harass other tenants, then you can be evicted from that apartment complex if you do scream and harass them. You agreed to those terms in your lease and agreed to let Riot be the judge, jury, and executioner in your lease. When you get evicted from an apartment, the apartment complex owes you nothing for the money you spent while living in their space. You don't get a refund for the years you spent living there. The apartment complex owes you nothing after you broke their rules and got evicted. Riot owes you nothing for permabanning you when you break their rules.

The ToS is NOTHING like a lease on an apartment.

If the landlord or building owner wants to kick you out, they have to give proper notice, they can not just evict you at any time or for any reason in the way that Riot can. If a landlord evicts a tenant without following the law then they are subject to sanctions. Landlord-tenant law is very complicated and has many layers that protect both sides from one another and, as such, there is a lot of give-and-take when it comes to the law there. With Riot, there is absolutely no give-and-take... it's their way or the highway, you are completely at their mercy---which is fine because you agreed to that when creating an account, just understand that it is NOTHING like leasing an apartment.

In an apartment lease, the tenant has rights, in a private, online video game, you don't have rights other than basic consumer rights that may protect you from fraud, etc.

YerroFeverMay 3, 20172 votes

You agreed to those terms in your lease and agreed to let Riot be the judge, jury, and executioner in your lease.

In lease agreements, they're subject to standard rules of the place you are living in, however there are lots of rights you can waive in a lease that don't go below the bare minimum protections.

Same thing here, you have waived lots of those protections and let Riot be the judge, jury, and executioner here instead of letting the government handle it.

The bar is set at the basic consumer and privacy protections in video games, by law.

The bar is set for apartments at the housing authority of where you live, by law.

Minimum protections is relative for each area you go in however minimum protections are still minimum protections, even if not all minimum protections are equal.

If you like, compare it to a hotel rather than a fully furnished apartment with a rec room and costume rental store if you want minimum protections between fields to be more proportionate.

FegoneMay 3, 20173 votes

Riot also gives you proper notice. You don't just get permabanned. You get a warning, chat restriction, then a 2 week ban I believe, and then if you still behave like an idiot, you get your perma. If that's not enough of a "proper notice", I dk...

Also it's not correct that there's no give and take in the contract with Riot. You agree to forfeit all and any rights by making this account, and you agree to obey their rules. In exchange they agree to let you use their resources for free, you can host games on their servers for free (i.e. using their server for literally nothing in exchange), and they agree to provide entertainment to you for free. This is your take. Your give is the giving up all your rights to the free stuff if you are a dick.

Scary DoorMay 3, 20175 votes

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Riot also gives you proper notice. You don't just get permabanned. You get a warning, chat restriction, then a 2 week ban I believe, and then if you still behave like an idiot, you get your perma. If that's not enough of a "proper notice", I dk...

Not true. Riot frequently bans people permanently without notice. Not saying that it isn't their right to do so, but I'd say very few people go through the steps you just mentioned anymore.

Also... you cannot be evicted for any reason at all whatsoever, there are specific reasons and a specific due process that you are entitled to... you are not afforded that here.

It should also be noted that EULAs and ToS agreements are on somewhat shaky ground legally and have been challenged and overturned in some instances.

Ad Astra per AspMay 3, 20177 votes

So let me get this straight, because Riot decided to make it so when you buy something you don't own it in their license agreements, they get to fuck you over and steal what you bought. The sad part is people will defend this as if it's common practice. It's too common place in the world of corporate greed where taking things from consumers, including rights, is met with someone with a stick up their butt condescendingly spouting legal verbage to you and telling you why Riot will get their way. And they will. Unless enough people are unhappy with it and stick up for their rights. Which you OP, are clearly not doing. I have not been perma'd and I do not want perma'd. But I once read a comment by a Riot employee about how it was a money making machine to ban toxic players and take all their stuff they purchased and then they just go buy it again. You can say whatever you want about caring about perma'd players as human beings or not (hint, they are still humans even if you don't like them) but you're basically justifying Riot screwing over the consumer which I think is very stupid being as how I am a consumer and I don't want Riot to dream up more legalized BS ways to be able to screw me over. What is next, if I had an afk they can take a skin b/c my internet DC'd? Or all skins are now leased and you can only rent them? I mean, if you don't draw the line here, what's the expression, give and inch they take a mile? Yah, that's every greedy corp ever so I don't care what you think of toxic players or whatever I don't like them either but this is about consumer rights and as a consumer I care.

YerroFeverMay 3, 20173 votes

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So let me get this straight, because Riot decided to make it so when you buy something you don't own it in their license agreements, they get to fuck you over and steal what you bought. The sad part is people will defend this as if it's common practice. It's too common place in the world of corporate greed where taking things from consumers, including rights, is met with someone with a stick up their butt condescendingly spouting legal verbage to you and telling you why Riot will get their way. And they will. Unless enough people are unhappy with it and stick up for their rights. Which you OP, are clearly not doing. I have not been perma'd and I do not want perma'd. But I once read a comment by a Riot employee about how it was a money making machine to ban toxic players and take all their stuff they purchased and then they just go buy it again. You can say whatever you want about caring about perma'd players as human beings or not (hint, they are still humans even if you don't like them) but you're basically justifying Riot screwing over the consumer which I think is very stupid being as how I am a consumer and I don't want Riot to dream up more legalized BS ways to be able to screw me over. What is next, if I had an afk they can take a skin b/c my internet DC'd? Or all skins are now leased and you can only rent them? I mean, if you don't draw the line here, what's the expression, give and inch they take a mile? Yah, that's every greedy corp ever so I don't care what you think of toxic players or whatever I don't like them either but this is about consumer rights and as a consumer I care.

I have never seen a Rioter post that permabans are a revenue source.

I have seen lots and lots of theories from players who get banned and claim Riot is trying to make money by permabanning players, however, no one has ever linked the post where anyone from Riot ever says it. I am still open to the possibility that such a post may exist because the theory does make sense. If you ban a toxic person who has spent a lot of money on skins, they're probably going to spend money again on those skins on their new account. However, I'm not sure that is the primary reason as so many people claim. There are even more posts from people who never mention money and they just want their account back. That would be counter intuitive. Permabanning someone who spent no money on the game before? That will probably guarantee that they never spend any money on the game after that.

Plus, with the hextech crafting system now, you get free chests for you or your queue mate getting S-/S/S+ and you get key frags to open those chests up, as long as you aren't toxic. You even get access to legacy skins that are no longer available. Sounds like they're trying to deter people from being toxic vs making money. If they wanted to make money, hextech would be available to everyone, toxic or not.

Ad Astra per AspMay 3, 20171 votes

Would riot really release that data though even if it existed? I'm sure some quit but I'm sure some also rebuy things so they can be competitive again on a new account, especially runes because no one has time to grind out buying them with IP for more than a few setups.

I've read similar debates about steam banning users, and in both cases it seems you'd have to be masochistic to me to invite that level of control to the entity you purchased things from. You buy a mattress as a mattress store you piss off the mattress store they don't get to come to your house and steal your bed, so why should it be different for digital goods? It shouldn't plain and simple and people are too easily giving over to digital companies rhetoric on it and championing it as if it was their own.

YerroFeverMay 4, 20172 votes

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Would riot really release that data though even if it existed? I'm sure some quit but I'm sure some also rebuy things so they can be competitive again on a new account, especially runes because no one has time to grind out buying them with IP for more than a few setups.

I've read similar debates about steam banning users, and in both cases it seems you'd have to be masochistic to me to invite that level of control to the entity you purchased things from. You buy a mattress as a mattress store you piss off the mattress store they don't get to come to your house and steal your bed, so why should it be different for digital goods? It shouldn't plain and simple and people are too easily giving over to digital companies rhetoric on it and championing it as if it was their own.

Data about what? How frequently permabanned accounts have new accounts that repurchase RP for access to in game content? Honestly I don't know if anyone has sunk any time into the metrics of that kind of data. It may exist it may not. I don't know what to tell you about that.

As for the Steam issues, there are a few things in play regarding my opinion on Steam bans. Steam permaban situation and Steam TOS change ban situation

Steam Permaban: Many games are available both on Steam and also available through the developer directly. There are some people who only distribute through Steam because it's too much money to host their own servers and pay for the bandwidth to support all of the downloads. This is particularly true with free to play games with in game purchases. This puts developers in a little bind because not only do you have to agree to the developer's TOS/EULA, you also have to deal with Steam's TOS/EULA. One party has to want to ban you to get you out. You don't need two people agreeing. However, you do need two people agreeing to not permaban you.

When you agree to use licensing and distribution platforms, you are giving your power up for convenience. Not every company is a big as Riot and can afford to host their own website and pay for the bandwidth to keep their website going, game servers going, and also handle the downloads for patches and fresh downloads of the client. Some companies need distributors like Steam and so unfortunately that's also a downside for consumers as well (some companies try to mitigate this by having direct connects to other people with the same patch downloaded and basically torrent the patch out as a way to save money, which I believe Steam does too). Convenience of the Steam platform comes at a price and that's their ability to revoke licenses they give you based on not following their rules.

In general regarding licenses and ownership, here's an example case about losing "digital property" (ie skins) after bans. The cheater played an online, multiplayer, first person shooter that had skins. Cheater got permabanned for using 3rd party programs to cheat playing this online multiplayer first person shooter. Cheater sued the game developer for loss of skins which were obtained by spending real money on the in game currency. ($ -> in game currency -> skin)

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2943889/july7filing.pdf

Here's a copy of the complaint so you can follow and verify the summary I'm giving you here.

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/15127781/CB_v_Valve_Corporation

(If you want to know what pacer is, it's the official federal database of cases and most of the time, you have to pay to see the actual documents. If you go to the Florida Southern District court website, you'll have to register for pacer and then pay to get access to the documents. The pacermonitor is a free service that lets you see the titles of the documents but you have to pay for those docs if you want to download them)

As you can see through the case history, Cheater filed for a voluntary dismissal. When you're in federal court and you lose, the winning party almost always gets their legal fees in awards from the losing party if the case goes all the way through to a judgment by a judge or judgment by a jury in a trial. If you voluntarily dismiss, almost every time, you can have each party pay for their own fees and be done with it. I can't read the voluntary dismissal however I can guess that more likely than not, the voluntary dismissal has "each party to bear its own costs," ie I pay for my lawyer and you pay for your lawyer.

I don't personally see this as analogous to a bed and pissing on it and having the store coming to your house and taking it away and the Federal Courts were not going to see it that way either, otherwise Cheater wouldn't have voluntarily dismissed the case. There was no notice of settlement or anything filed.

As for the Steam TOS change hostage situation: I had problems with how they implemented their new TOS on a moral level. If you don't know, they held your old licenses to games and said you would be banned and lose your old licenses purchased prior to the new TOS if you did not agree to the revised TOS. I don't like the way they did it. I think that the old licenses should have been kept on the games purchased prior to the change and access should have been limited in that you could no longer download or purchase any new games unless you agreed to the new TOS and the new TOS applied to all the subsequent games.

JoseraphMay 3, 20177 votes

Riot doesn't screw players over, they screw themselves over by not following the rules. The rest of your argument is scaring away fiddle's crows.

Ad Astra per AspMay 3, 20171 votes

"I didn't hit him with my fist, he ran into my fist". Sure buddy.

JoseraphMay 3, 20177 votes

So what you're saying is a player getting banned for not following the rules clearly printed in the rulebook is basically Riot banning a player for no fucking reason? Nothing backwards about that

CØulrophobiaMay 3, 20175 votes

I could go citating over ToS and argue about many "facts", eventualy resulting in 30 posts long disscussion which ends up in you calling me names and me telling you to fk off, or i can just nod and say i agree 100% with this BS.

*Nod *Nod I agree 100% The system works perfectly and RIOT should in fact strangle their great source of income so that LoL can finaly become p2p game, thus ridding it of 90% playerbase(because who doesnt like extended queue times, bad in game support, patch ever half a year and YT rants)

It is 100% good choice to kick out players that helped the game grow and that supported it over the years. Makes you make even more loyal customers.

It doesn't encourage accaunt marketing at all.

It won't ever help boosters.(nor hackers, scripters and cheaters)

Can i now say Noob without getting permabanned?

YerroFeverMay 3, 20174 votes

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I could go citating over ToS and argue about many "facts", eventualy resulting in 30 posts long disscussion which ends up in you calling me names and me telling you to fk off, or i can just nod and say i agree 100% with this BS.

*Nod *Nod I agree 100% The system works perfectly and RIOT should in fact strangle their great source of income so that LoL can finaly become p2p game, thus ridding it of 90% playerbase(because who doesnt like extended queue times, bad in game support, patch ever half a year and YT rants)

It is 100% good choice to kick out players that helped the game grow and that supported it over the years. Makes you make even more loyal customers.

It doesn't encourage accaunt marketing at all.

It won't ever help boosters.(nor hackers, scripters and cheaters)

Can i now say Noob without getting permabanned?

Sounds like you've had some experiences with people calling you names and telling you to fk off. If you have, sorry to hear.

AdionoidaMay 4, 20171 votes

Liked OPs argument, disagree with every loser wins argument regardless of possible sarcasm. This is America, your forefathers would roll over in their graves knowing you felt bad for someone getting called names in an anonymous environment. No one cares about yours/his/anyone's feels.

CØulrophobiaMay 4, 20172 votes

Yes possible sarcasm

CØulrophobiaMay 4, 20174 votes

Also just in case you are sarcastic. But after you posted a Valve vs Plantiff i needed to say something even though i did not intend or want to.

I can sue LoL/Riot games right now on more then 7 different things. 2.I can prosecute my complaint through a country which has a legal system which will go in my favor. For example: If i was in Japan i could sue LoL/Riot games for implementing the so called "Gacha" system in form of Hextech crafting and win 100%. And in case you say its not possible, check what happened to some games in Japan after that law has been put in power. Or I could go to a place like switzerland(i think) where the law states that anything spent on a virtual game above 50€ is considered a robbery! Yes a robbery commited by the given corporation/game owner. Especialy because "skins" which are subject at hand do not influence any sort of gameplay, nor are an expansion on the existing game.
Given money, time and energy, one could also sue Riot for other things apart from these and straight out win. For example- promoting elitism, psychological trauma, unfullfilled ToS, bad in game support etc.

#The only reason why this has never happened before is because people are too stupid to join together and sue Riot on their terms and conditions.

YerroFeverMay 4, 20174 votes

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Also just in case you are sarcastic. But after you posted a Valve vs Plantiff i needed to say something even though i did not intend or want to.

I can sue LoL/Riot games right now on more then 7 different things. 2.I can prosecute my complaint through a country which has a legal system which will go in my favor. For example: If i was in Japan i could sue LoL/Riot games for implementing the so called "Gacha" system in form of Hextech crafting and win 100%. And in case you say its not possible, check what happened to some games in Japan after that law has been put in power. Or I could go to a place like switzerland(i think) where the law states that anything spent on a virtual game above 50€ is considered a robbery! Yes a robbery commited by the given corporation/game owner. Especialy because "skins" which are subject at hand do not influence any sort of gameplay, nor are an expansion on the existing game.

Given money, time and energy, one could also sue Riot for other things apart from these and straight out win. For example- promoting elitism, psychological trauma, unfullfilled ToS, bad in game support etc.

#The only reason why this has never happened before is because people are too stupid to join together and sue Riot on their terms and conditions.

You're in Europe. You have different rules. Don't think you can apply American laws in Europe. You can't copy and paste things from one country to another. If you go to your court and say that your country should follow American laws, you will have a bad time in court. Go speak to a lawyer in your own country to have them explain this to you.
You need something called jurisdiction to sue in that country. You cannot arbitrarily pick a place that you want to sue in. Go find a lawyer in your country and have them explain this to you.

Also, you don't understand the rule against kompu gacha. The rule isn't that you have to win 100% of the time. Go speak to a lawyer in your own country to explain the Japanese law on this.

I have never heard of this Swiss law and I tried to look it up and nothing came up. Nothing came up in Europe in general. Go speak to a lawyer in your country to have them find this law.

You need to speak to a lawyer in your own country and have them explain this.

Overall, you need to speak to a lawyer in your own country to explain law to you.

CØulrophobiaMay 4, 20173 votes

1.When exactly did i say i plan to apply american laws to europe? I said Riot needs to follow the laws in Europe for players that come from Europe. 2.I said i could win in the court not in the gacha. Read my comment carefully. Next Hextech is Gacha and is even classified as that since: a)There is a variable rate of getting items and extremely small droprates. (check) b) It can be bough with real money so it encourages gambleing.(check) c) You need several items with small droprates to get an exclusive item(check) d)It allows a user to get something that is not available otherwise (check) If games with 50+M players failed in courts because of Gacha what makes LoL any different? Cause you think you know law just by quick google search?

Next I can actualy sue in Japan if i play on Japanese servers, because my data and information went through their servers, and my accaunt is bound to that server(even if i play on 3000 ping). You just straight out assumed I cant do that, but I can, and that is actualy a regular process in which my country's legal system acts like a mediator. Also i said if i was in Japan- i didnt say i can go to japan and sue them there; but i wanted to show you that you were in fact wrong.

So overall i would advise you to go speak to a lawyer in your country to explain law to you, because these holes in your knowledge appear to be far to wide for me to fill them.

YerroFeverMay 4, 20174 votes

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1.When exactly did i say i plan to apply american laws to europe? I said Riot needs to follow the laws in Europe for players that come from Europe. 2.I said i could win in the court not in the gacha. Read my comment carefully. Next Hextech is Gacha and is even classified as that since: a)There is a variable rate of getting items and extremely small droprates. (check) b) It can be bough with real money so it encourages gambleing.(check) c) You need several items with small droprates to get an exclusive item(check) d)It allows a user to get something that is not available otherwise (check) If games with 50+M players failed in courts because of Gacha what makes LoL any different? Cause you think you know law just by quick google search?

Next I can actualy sue in Japan if i play on Japanese servers, because my data and information went through their servers, and my accaunt is bound to that server(even if i play on 3000 ping). You just straight out assumed I cant do that, but I can, and that is actualy a regular process in which my country's legal system acts like a mediator. Also i said if i was in Japan- i didnt say i can go to japan and sue them there; but i wanted to show you that you were in fact wrong.

So overall i would advise you to go speak to a lawyer in your country to explain law to you, because these holes in ypur knowledge appear to be far to wide for me to explain.

It looks like you don't know how the Japanese law works because gacha games fall under the Law for Preventing Unjustifiable Extra or Unexpected Benefit and Misleading Representation. They've disclosed drop rates of items. May not be in English but they disclosed them. I could just pick the rest of it apart but it's not even worth it and you got downvoted even before I got to respond.

I can't speak for other people but I am hoping the reason why people downvoted you was because they actually looked up why previous gacha games were banned in Japan.

CØulrophobiaMay 5, 20171 votes

Stop avoiding the main subject. Also extra benefit is 50$ skin compared to 2.5$ skin or compared to 0$ champ shard. The only reason why Japan cant and wont go against LoL is $$$$$. Then my dear sir i wish you hextech crates full of champion shards.

Also 1 downvote means nothing, if it was -10 i could say your comment was valid, but now you just act like social network addicts that cry when there are 2 dislikes on their picture. It is pathetic. Got downvoted even before i had time to respond, oh please you are getting downvoted just as hard, and you are quitting the conversation because every one of your comments and points was busted and proven wrong on at least 3 levels.

YerroFeverMay 5, 20174 votes

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Stop avoiding the main subject. Also extra benefit is 50$ skin compared to 2.5$ skin or compared to 0$ champ shard. The only reason why Japan cant and wont go against LoL is $$$$$. Then my dear sir i wish you hextech crates full of champion shards.

Also 1 downvote means nothing, if it was -10 i could say your comment was valid, but now you just act like social network addicts that cry when there are 2 dislikes on their picture. It is pathetic. Got downvoted even before i had time to respond, oh please you are getting downvoted just as hard, and you are quitting the conversation because every one of your comments and points was busted and proven wrong on at least 3 levels.

This is demonstrably false.

Fire Emblem Heroes is a perfect example.

Not only is Fire Emblem Heroes made by Nintendo, a Japanese company, with it's HQ in Japan. They show the drop rates, which is what is required by the Law for Preventing Unjustifiable Extra or Unexpected Benefit and Misleading Representation.

If you've played the mobile game, fire emblem heroes, it falls into kompu gacha games however, they're still up an running. They're still in Japan. There are still Japanese players. There are still Japanese purchases. Why? Because they comply with the law.

I will do your "legal analysis" to show you how wrong you are and that your premise that "people" do not do it because of money is also wrong.

a)There is a variable rate of getting items and extremely small drop rates (not all heroes have the same chance of dropping but they're fixed for each tier of rarity) b) It can be bough with real money so it encourages gambling (you can purchase orbs) c) You need several items with small drop rates to get an exclusive item (these are the 5 star heroes) d)It allows a user to get something that is not available otherwise (some heroes are only available through summoning orbs)

When you violate a consumer protection law, the government prosecutes it, not an individual person. So it's not about $. Company X break the law, the Japanese government gets $ because the government prosecutes it. The law also states that if the company refunds all of the money back to consumers that was gained through illegal kompu gacha, no additional fine will be levied by the government.

So not only has your made up test of whether or not you can sue for gacha wrong, your premise that government won't go for companies is wrong.

But, you're going to still stomp your feet and say you're right and you have somehow inexplicably proven yourself right despite the fact that not only do you have the law wrong in your head but also you ignore the fact that the law passed over two years ago and Fire Emblem Heroes is on the Japanese market right now.

CØulrophobiaMay 5, 20171 votes

You lost all point the moment you started comparing a mobile game to a real multimillion pc game. We might as well compare playing football to space journeys. Because p2p games cant be put in the same basket as f2p games. There is also a thing called a collectors value which requires the game to actualy be older then 3 months.

a)So you basicly admit its true? b)You can purchase orbs which are then used to purchase many other things, while you can purchase hextech without actualy purchasing rp. Orbs are also aquired in game, while you cant just earn rp, you have to pay for it. - Wrong again. c) A game that is 3 months old has no colectioners value compared to legacy skins or some pokemons.-wrong again d) read b) again.

And how exactly do ypu intend to launch a prosecute a case with only less then a quater evidence you need?

But if you want to put in a mobile game ok. So what about summoners war? Its a game that is much much more popular then emblem heroes and it had to change entire game mechanics on japanese servers in order to avoid getting sued and banned. Fusion system as well as the monster droprates were fixed in order to apply to the law. And from what i dug out on FEH from a quick google search so did they. If LoL got in for gacha the same way as summoners war we would now have imperfect skins etc.

Also... No japanese goverment wont prosecute it because:

They will lose money from taxes, rp etc. 1.5.Esports as well as some other thing directly tied to gaming would be affected negativly, especialy computer sales which are very important part of their economy.
They will also have to pay for court fees that might take several years to complete, only for riot to change it immidiately in a single patch.
Players would use VPN to play LoL thus endangering the security of many many national networks and that would cause nation wide information leak.
The only way goverment can actualy prosecute effectivly is only when it has people on its side, see what happened when they tried to go against blizzard.

Which sane goverment would choose to lose money when they can gain it. Same thing with China and treatment of Karthus and Thresh.

YerroFeverMay 5, 20173 votes

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You lost all point the moment you started comparing a mobile game to a real multimillion pc game. We might as well compare playing football to space journeys. Because p2p games cant be put in the same basket as f2p games. There is also a thing called a collectors value which requires the game to actualy be older then 3 months.

This is an artificial distinction you are creating because you want to differentiate the game itself rather than the gambling mechanics in play that are illegal in Japan. This is completely irrelevant because mechanics are mechanics. Disclosure to comply with the law is disclosure. Law is law. You don't get to make up arbitrary standards because you want them to be there. You have to actually follow the law and then pin point where the law differentiates things. Otherwise, you just type out words but actually say nothing.

a)So you basicly admit its true?

I'm not "basically admitting" anything. I am stating that under your so called analysis, I am stating the game fits into your definition. I am not wavering or dilly dallying about it. It is a statement.

b)You can purchase orbs which are then used to purchase many other things, while you can purchase hextech without actualy purchasing rp. Orbs are also aquired in game, while you cant just earn rp, you have to pay for it. - Wrong again.

You can purchase RP in the game to purchase many other things besides Hextech. You acquire keys and chests by playing the game. Are you trying to say that you never earn keys and chests? Because that only means you have been punished by the game because of toxic behavior and it's actually your own behavior that prevents you from getting the items.

c) A game that is 3 months old has no colectioners value compared to legacy skins or some pokemons.-wrong again

Yes there are. Easter champion skins are no longer available. You had to use your orbs to get them during the 2 weeks.

d) read b) again.

There are limited edition skins and limited edition heroes.

And how exactly do ypu intend to launch a prosecute a case with only less then a quater evidence you need?

But if you want to put in a mobile game ok. So what about summoners war? Its a game that is much much more popular then emblem heroes and it had to change entire game mechanics on japanese servers in order to avoid getting sued and banned. Fusion system as well as the monster droprates were fixed in order to apply to the law. And from what i dug out on FEH from a quick google search so did they. If LoL got in for gacha the same way as summoners war we would now have imperfect skins etc.

Also... No japanese goverment wont prosecute it because:

They will lose money from taxes, rp etc. 1.5.Esports as well as some other thing directly tied to gaming would be affected negativly, especialy computer sales which are very important part of their economy.

They will also have to pay for court fees that might take several years to complete, only for riot to change it immidiately in a single patch.

Players would use VPN to play LoL thus endangering the security of many many national networks and that would cause nation wide information leak.

The only way goverment can actualy prosecute effectivly is only when it has people on its side, see what happened when they tried to go against blizzard.

Which sane goverment would choose to lose money when they can gain it. Same thing with China and treatment of Karthus and Thresh.

You completely missed the point of using your "analysis" of what a kompu gacha was and pointing out that you are missing the actual LAW aspect of the issue.

You think that you can sue something because it is a kompu gacha. The law is that the kompu gacha cannot hide or misrepresent the true odds of winning.

As for your point about taxes, if you read Nintendo and also Plaid Hat's TOS, you are responsible as the consumer for any taxes. Even in League of Legends, any taxes to be collected on your in game purchases of RP are your responsibility to deal with.

VPN has nothing to do with this and is actually bearing whatsoever. What in the world are you talking about national security of networks?

Regarding your comparison of mobile games, Fusion Hexagram is UNAVAILABLE in Japan. Fusion Hexagram is available everywhere else. If you can show me where drop rates are actually disclosed, not player generated from mass data input, but where Plaid Hat actually explicitly states their drop rates, I'd love to see the link to their official website. The reason why Summoner Wars is an illegal kompu gacha in Japan is because they don't disclose the drop rates of the base heroes and monsters you need to fuse into the better ones. When you compare this with Fire Emblem, they have it actually disclosed every time you click the summoning tab before you summon heroes as a blatant reminder they are complying with the kompu gacha law regarding misrepresentation in games for winning.

What are you even talking about japan against blizzard? Do you understand that Blizzard does not break into the Japanese markets as much because their blockbuster game, WOW didn't draw that much support? WoW wasn't even a contender in the Japanese market and so they kept the servers in SE Asia instead of starting one in Japan directly until fairly recently.

What this is akin to is you trying to run to the police and saying someone has murdered you and that you want to prosecute this person for murder, but you are still completely alive and well and unharmed.

CØulrophobiaMay 5, 20171 votes

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You completely missed the point of using your "analysis" of what a kompu gacha was and pointing out that you are missing the actual LAW aspect of the issue.

I am not missing the actual point of what the law is. For court process to start and to be implemented 1. There must be at least 2 parties involved. 2. There must actualy be a law that was broken. Fire emblem that you mentioned never broke any law to begin with. End of disscussion. For futher information contact a lawyer to explain the details to you.

You think that you can sue something because it is a kompu gacha. The law is that the kompu gacha cannot hide or misrepresent the true odds of winning.

That is what I am saying all along. I can sue LoL if they are actualy hiding and misenterpeting true odds of winning. Which they are. I am not saying i alone can win, but in a process with several hundred people involved together with me i can.

As for your point about taxes, there are no sales tax on the in game purchases in Japan. If it's 99 yen as a sales tag, it's 99 yen into the game company's pocket. If you read Nintendo and also Plaid Hat's TOS, you are responsible as the consumer for any taxes and they do not collect it. With the current structure of the tax system in Japan, the government does not get any money. Even in League of Legends, any taxes to be collected on your in game purchases of RP are your responsibility to deal with.

Things Riot games does actualy pay to japanese goverment.

-Servers tax -RP cards distribution as well as licence to do it. Buying through paypal(or via internet) for example will make paypal take something like 1$ or less from you which also eventualy goes to the right goverment just smaller %. -Employing the staff-company tax. -Tax for supporting merchandise, figurines, tshirts, mouse boards, specialized equipment, pencils and crap like that. -And many others but these are the 3-4 main ones.

VPN has nothing to do with this and is actually bearing whatsoever. What in the world are you talking about national security of networks?

VPN can be used to get access to your computer if you use from an unknown source, as do most teenagers do. VPN is responsible for many famous hacking attempts. They are not safe and you have no idea who might see your data and use it tp access your computer. Once you have access to one computer its easier to get access to another one etc. Pls you can launch the attack from the mainland. Now imagine 20 M players doing it simultaneously, nobody would be able to find where the treath is coming from.

Regarding your comparison of mobile games, Fusion Hexagram is UNAVAILABLE in Japan. Fusion Hexagram is available everywhere else. If you can show me where fusion hexagram drop rates are actually disclosed, not player generated from mass data input, but where Plaid Hat actually explicitly states their drop rates, I'd love to see the link to their official website.

Fusion hexagram is available, though they do have "imperfect" monsters, which are in fact lesser versions of real monsters. They are also able to be made only through FARMABLE monsters, while monsters on other servers must be summoned via some other way, including payment. About the droprates i will also find you the link, and just a quick heads up monsters are not summoned through fusion hexagram.

What are you even talking about japan against blizzard? Do you understand that Blizzard does not break into the Japanese markets as much because their blockbuster game, WOW didn't draw that much support? WoW wasn't even a contender in the Japanese market and so they kept the servers in SE Asia instead of starting one in Japan directly until fairly recently.

Exactly. And why is that?

YerroFeverMay 5, 20174 votes

{quoted} That is what I am saying all along. I can sue LoL if they are actualy hiding and misenterpeting true odds of winning. Which they are. I am not saying i alone can win, but in a process with several hundred people involved together with me i can.

What you have done here is build a house of cards. A flimsy argument and when one card gets pulled, everything comes crashing down.

Based on currently available data, Riot in compliance in Japan (kompu gacha rules) and China (loot box rules) which both require disclosure of drop rates.

Here is that card:

they are actualy hiding and misenterpeting true odds of winning

Here is me pulling that card out: http://lol.qq.com/webplat/info/news_version3/152/4579/4581/m3106/201704/578901.shtml

CØulrophobiaMay 5, 20171 votes

First of all i dont speak or read japanese or whatever language that is.

And here is me pulling a card which completely destroys your argument on behalf of mine. By proving my concept. You will also find all the links futher down that argument mine comments, and that are actualy in a readable language.

1.Key droprates are not fixed. Even though they are rng. Your chance to draw a key is not a constant number, it gets lower and lower every time you draw one. -Misleading

Getting a chest is also rigged and misinformed since the rate of aquiring the chest varies from champion to champion and changes day by day in accordance to the actual champion score. And considering riot is behind the balancing itself- they are the ones who are actualy rigging the odds. As evidenced by some people not getting a chest after going 30 0 30 on X Y Z champ.- Rigged

2.2 Also system discriminates against certain players on top of this which futher allows for law pursuit.-Selection/Discrimination

Also about aquiring chests we do not have an actual formula how we get one.

Stop bluntly ignoring other things i said when they stop going in your favor. I havent done any of those to your comments i would appreciate it if you wouldnt do that to mine either. :D

4.Links that prove i am correct

https://www.reddit.com/r/SchoolIdolFestival/comments/42tukm/why_is_sif_and_similar_games_not_considered_kompu/ Why riot still is able to fly under a radar.

https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerswar/comments/3iboyt/japaneses_fusion_imperfect_monster_impression/ What has been done to other games that actualy got prosecuted.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/620712364045595471/ - a nice disscussion for you to read to actualy see what it is and what is not defined as gambling, gacha, slot machines (because you lack the knowledge in this area the most) etc in video games both mobile, computer or console.

https://www.google.me/search?q=hextech+system&oq=hextech+sy&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.10111j0j4&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 Just a Google search where you can find everything noted about hextech system.

So please tell me how do you intend to bluntly ignore 95% facts this time? Then proceed to catch that 5% of legal grey area while pulling my words out of context and drawing a conclusion without any use of logic?

Also i was not talking about lootbox in China, i was mentioning Thresh and Karthus which are actual skeletons, yet they are "miracolously" continuing to fly under a radar. And that is because nobody wants to go into legal fight with company that is "200M strong" And has even been stated by multiple rioters that quote: "We are threading on a very thin line with Karthus and some other champions. This is the reason some of their skins have different splas arts." and "We have already stumbled on a few legal issues with certain champions, particulary the Shadow Isles ones." Now tell me, can you name any other game that has been given this much free room!!!??

Glu10SensitivityMay 5, 20173 votes

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First of all i dont speak or read japanese or whatever language that is.

And here is me pulling a card which completely destroys your argument on behalf of mine. By proving my concept. You will also find all the links futher down that argument mine comments, and that are actualy in a readable language.

Wow.... that's ridiculously racist and ignorant. Just because you can't read something does not mean it is not "actually in a readable language"

Your exchange with the op has been a hilarious demonstration of how crazy some people view the world and now it just turned offensive.

ps, You link nothing but opinions. There are no facts that you are linking. You should give up before you make a bigger spectacle. At least the OP links things and says they exist. Just because someone with no recognized authority posts on a forum, it don't make it fact.

YerroFeverMay 6, 20172 votes

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My nonsence, you are a little ignorant retard that wanted evidence, and now that you got it all, its nonsence? Hahahahaa what kind of retarded people i wont find in this world. I told you i didnt want this argument but you still wanted it anyways and now that you did get your ass owned on evert aspect, your sore ass can just come up with necroing and nonsene?
LoL you should see a medical profesional about your problem. Also about the other guy who clearly did not open a single link, there are pictures from in game and things thus being facts. As well as futher links in the threads i linked that lead to official sites and others.

BTW i am copying this thread and posting it on LA so everybody can see what kind of retards some people can be.

Are you permabanned from league?

Sraeg2013May 3, 20173 votes

Can i now say Noob without getting permabanned?

For now.

CowseedMay 4, 20172 votes

It's getting there, though.

YerroFeverMay 3, 20173 votes

There are exceptions to notice but those are usually cases arising for 3rd party programs. If you flag someone and let them know they're using a 3rd party program, then this gives the cheaters an opportunity to remake their program to make it harder to detect and thus enabling cheaters to ruin the gaming experience for the rest of the community on a never ending basis. By doing bans in waves without notice and not instantaneously, it makes it harder for developers to make cheating programs that are undetectable. This is a strategic thing for cost saving measures and also another hurdle for programmers because they don't know why their program got someone banned. I completely agree with their logic on this. Make it harder for people to hack their games.

For toxicity, they do often use notice and only in the most extreme of severe cases, they will just outright permaban.

As for EULA's and TOS's, they are potentially shaky grounds but there are lots of things that have already been set by both legislation and by courts. When a TOS and/or EULA is so one sided that it could constitute an unconscionable contract term, yes. However, there is a lot of consumer protection case law that shows EULA's and TOS to be valid.

There are things that won't hold up in every single court, however, in many courts they will. For example, in California, say you're an eSports player for a California team corporation that signed a non-compete clause for playing games for other teams after they've left. It's actually invalid in California under the law and holds no weight in the contract but people still put it in there to put the fear in pro players to try and get people to stay through fear instead of building a good relationship and loyalty between team owner and players. However, if you're in a place that says non-competes are fine if they are reasonable (based on their own case law) then that non compete holds and you may be stuck with a non-compete that will be valid.

To say they're shaky is kind of true because depending on where you go to court, it may be valid or may be invalid. However, unconscionable is quite a high bar and it has to be a really insane or the situation has to be so oppressive and there is no bargaining power for one party to get a court to invalidate the term.

If you're thinking about the AT&T case in Washington which had the TOS which had parts overturned, (the most notable clause was that it prevented people from suing in class actions and had to do arbitration), you should be aware that the case had a lot of other reasons and had a combination of factors that led to several terms being overturned together and not a ban on each and every term individually.

To show that the Washington case was about a set of terms that were overturned because of their combination and not because every single term individually should be overturned, there was also an AT&T case that went all the way up to the US Supreme Court that actually held that preventing class actions was completely valid under the federal arbitration act. (AT&T Mobility v Concepcion).

I agree that it's a shaky subject because there are a lot of nuances that go into it and not everyone will understand the case law.

GoldiluxMay 5, 20173 votes

HE'S TROLLING YOU

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I could go citating over ToS and argue about many "facts", eventualy resulting in 30 posts long disscussion which ends up in you calling me names and me telling you to fk off

He told you he does this before. He's baiting you to harass him on the forums to get you punished by typing completely nonsensical things and aggravating your sense of logic.

abbbezMay 3, 20172 votes

I've never gotten banned at all in league, but I still think that permanent ban is a bit harsh, I do agree that they should be banned but a more appropriate ban time like 6 months to a year.

RainbowIceeMay 4, 20173 votes

uhmmm perma banned might just happen to a few individuals that refuse to learn their lessons. I'm sure at first it's just a 3 day ban and a warning then get's worse and lastly probably the perma ban. I've reported a lot of people in this game and only about 2 have gotten banned so i can't imagine how bad you are messing up that you are getting perma banned. Ofcourse there are the famous cases of people just playing their way and getting banned for enjoying the game out of the meta which never made sense.

FlowDartXMay 4, 20172 votes

The issue with the "Riot owns your account your skins and your experience" is that they use the connotation of buying skins and buying RP. The connotation implies that you now own said RP skins or other objects. And if taken to any court about this issue, Riot would lose because they falsely advertised what they are actually doing under the knowledge that nobody reads terms of use.

Nobody has challenged it because people like you exist that firmly believe that Riot is in the right for performing a white collar crime known as extortion.

YerroFeverMay 4, 20172 votes

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The issue with the "Riot owns your account your skins and your experience" is that they use the connotation of buying skins and buying RP. The connotation implies that you now own said RP skins or other objects. And if taken to any court about this issue, Riot would lose because they falsely advertised what they are actually doing under the knowledge that nobody reads terms of use.

Nobody has challenged it because people like you exist that firmly believe that Riot is in the right for performing a white collar crime known as extortion.

Actually someone tried last year with another big company that had a game with skins Here is the complaint: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2943889/july7filing.pdf Here is the case progression: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/15127781/CB_v_Valve_Corporation

Plaintiff voluntarily dismissed their own claim. See the previous posts about my explanation as to the voluntary dismissal.

AdionoidaMay 4, 20172 votes

Because why would the little guy keep paying for a defense and potentially lose when the big bad company uses a pittance to brush him off.

Just because someone loses, does not mean they were indefensible. Legality is based off of $ if you don't have the $ to prove you're right, you're wrong. Then you end up here as an example to prove the big guys have a prophet who spreads the word that they had enough money to buy out the case.

Gj humanity. Go people.

YerroFeverMay 4, 20173 votes

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Because why would the little guy keep paying for a defense and potentially lose when the big bad company uses a pittance to brush him off.

Just because someone loses, does not mean they were indefensible. Legality is based off of $ if you don't have the $ to prove you're right, you're wrong. Then you end up here as an example to prove the big guys have a prophet who spreads the word that they had enough money to buy out the case.

Gj humanity. Go people.

Um... the little guy was the Plaintiff. The cheater sued the big companies and asked for punitive damages... which is huge in these types of cases and the plaintiff's attorney most likely went on contingency and they most likely agreed to take a % of the award they were hoping to win...

So... yeah... I'm not sure why you would think the Plaintiff would have to defend his claim... he has to prosecute it...

OnlyYouCanHearMeMay 5, 20172 votes

But they haven't falsely advertised. At no point does Riot advertise that players are able to purchase ownership rights to content. They state very clearly, in large, text, that players are able to unlock the content via purchasing access rights, which are contingent upon fulfilling the player's half of the EULA and TOS. They have also never used any sorts of threats or violence to extort players.

The situation that you are hypothesizing, where "Riot would lose because they falsely advertised what they are actually doing under the knowledge that nobody reads terms of use" is somewhat far-reaching. Ignorance of the law is not a viable defense in court, and it is not Riot's responsibility to ensure that all players are sensible enough to actually read a binding legal contract before placing a digital signature on it. To give you a couple of examples, let's say you run a stop sign because you didn't see it and didn't know it was there, or were speeding because you didn't see the posted speed limit. It's much the same situation. The "rules," in this case the stop sign and speed limit sign, are clearly posted, you just didn't happen to "read" them. Maybe you glanced away at the wrong moment, maybe you looked at your phone, or maybe you were changing the radio station. The reason why you broke the rule doesn't actually matter if the cop that pulls you over is determined to give you a ticket.

Another example, and one that is probably even more accurate... have you every traveled to a foreign country? When you go to a foreign country, you are expected to abide by the laws of that country, which you are agreeing to do when you enter it. If you break the laws in that country, you cannot say "but I didn't know it was illegal." It is the traveler's responsibility to acquaint themselves with any pertinent laws prior to travelling, not the country's responsibility to follow the traveler and ensure that they know all the laws and are following them.