Rylai's is losing health and getting a speed buff?

Linna Excel·Jan 15, 2015·6 votes·1,279 views

**EDIT: according to riot's twitter this is just a bug. **

What's up with that riot? Why does Rylai's need to give the user a passive speed boost? Also what's an AP mid supposed to do for health nowadays? Yes I know about liandry's and RoA, but not everyone can justify building those and liandry's has almost no health... an ADC can sneeze on you and you'll lose that much health as a mid.

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/30541-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-1-15-2015

28 Comments

PsyturkeyJan 15, 20156 votes

I hope it doesn't go through.

I do agree that it would be nice to get some better MS options on APs, but I feel like removing the health from Rylais creates more itemization gaps than it fills.

Really don't like the change at all.

Linna ExcelJan 15, 20154 votes

What I want to know is why is riot screwing with AP mid itemization a few days before S5 is about to begin? They had the whole bloody preseason to put these changes into PBE and live.

SmokingPuffinJan 15, 20152 votes

They were on vacation.

Linna ExcelJan 15, 20152 votes

This is a change you put in before you go on vacation, not after.

SmokingPuffinJan 16, 20151 votes

This is honestly a pretty small change. Could be done midseason even.

They used the pre-xmas time on the new map launch and the jungle overhaul. Those had to take priority over this sort of thing if they wanted them to get done. Even now, the jungle is not feeling super healthy, probably needs focus for a couple more patches to actually get the different playstyles idea to work.

ProfDrDeathJan 15, 20154 votes

https://twitter.com/RiotScarizard/status/555855728791928832 https://twitter.com/ricklessabandon/status/555856920209154049

It's a bug.

CoolKnightSTJan 15, 20151 votes

Whew, I really thought they want to destroy Zyra Support Mpen build with this. They mentioned testing a new build for item 3116 . Are they thinking about item 3113 + item 1026 + item 1011 or something???

ProfDrDeathJan 16, 20151 votes

Possibly.

Noone can know for sure right now, since it is, as said, quite bugged.

MatezoideJan 15, 20153 votes

As a Mordekaiser player, this pleases me. More speed and a slow with 100 AP? Yes please!

Also, i cant see the change on Annie's splash art.

Lost In TimeJan 15, 20152 votes

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As a Mordekaiser player, this pleases me. More speed and a slow with 100 AP? Yes please!

Also, i cant see the change on Annie's splash art.

Then you struggle for AP/HP itemization because RoA is your only other alternative....giving you mana that you don't need.

Malicious MetalJan 15, 20151 votes

Are you insane?! I play Morde a lot and Rylais is my core item and i rush it asap. It gives him all the stats he need. Health, a lot of AP and a slow to catch up with enemies. Removing health from it will ruin his Ap-Bruiser itemisation. I can't really buy rod, can I?

MatezoideJan 15, 20151 votes

I literally never build Rylai's on Mordekaiser. If you want to be tankier and deal more damage at the same time, get Scepter or Zhonya's. Hell, even an actual tank item late-game is solid because you are still 100-0 squishes anyway.

The passive is highly overrated. I can count on one hand the amount of times i lost a kill because i didnt have that. DFG is a much better rush.

A shame DFG is getting removed tho, but i legitimately will not miss Rylai's, in the unlikely event this goes through. Extra movement speed with 100 AP and that passive is sexy on Morde.

In theory, Rod doesnt seem too bad if you ignore the wasted stats, but Rylai is still a better option atm.

WardancerJan 15, 20152 votes

I created a thread earlier on this. This needs to NOT happen. This is my third item purchase on Nami and support Zyra(Plants proc the slow). Gives added CC, health and AP. All works great with her.

Linna ExcelJan 15, 20152 votes

Agreed. It was a good item for some supports or mids who needed a CC and where short on health. It might not have been a great rush item unless behind (and it is a good rush when behind item) but it was a good later on item for a number of champs.

SmokingPuffinJan 15, 20152 votes

I suspect this is about their plan to make kitey mage Ahri a thing. Rylai's used to be a core thing on Ahri and she really wants more movement speed.

Not sure about completely removing health from the thing, though. Cassiopeia isn't so interested in movement speed, but she loves Rylai's slow and really enjoys health items.

Linna ExcelJan 15, 20151 votes

Possibly but this seems to be more than an Ahri thing. First DFG and now this. Plus like you said Cass and a few other mids really want that little bit of health.

I don't know if people play her with rylai's so much anymore; not everyone liked mage ahri and plenty like assassin ahri exclusively. Still she could go back to it but I don't know if she would now that both Athenes (old go to mana item) and now Morellos both got nerfed one way or the other.

Also you could argue that she could get lich bane for movespeed since it works fairly well with her ult if you know how to AA between Rs.

SmokingPuffinJan 16, 20151 votes

I think they are generally reconsidering the roles for the AP items. Probably they think that move speed plus slowing enemies makes the item more focused.

The Ahri part is just speaking to the timing of the change. I think they're doing the Rylai's thing now because they're thinking about how they want Ahri to play and this item is probably something they expect to be core on her if they go with the kitey mage plan.

I actually think Lich Bane is a pretty cool 6th item for Ahri already.

MatezoideJan 16, 20152 votes

Aww a bug.

Oh man Large Rod + Whatever the MS AP ite is called would be the best thing ever.

RITO PLZ

Done25Jan 15, 20151 votes

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What's up with that riot? Why does Rylai's need to give the user a passive speed boost? Also what's an AP mid supposed to do for health nowadays? Yes I know about liandry's and RoA, but not everyone can justify building those and liandry's has almost no health... an ADC can sneeze on you and you'll lose that much health as a mid.

Wait, what? Can you list the change?

Linna ExcelJan 15, 20151 votes

I added the link to the OP. S@20 hints at it as well.

Done25Jan 15, 20151 votes

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I added the link to the OP. S@20 hints at it as well.

This has to be some kind of numbers error.

ChessburgerJan 15, 20151 votes

That's just messed up... I'm already heavily displeased by their AP mana regen item direction right now. You can't just roll out this many major changes at once and expect things to be fine.

Linna ExcelJan 15, 20151 votes

Yep. And they are doing this right before the bloody season began just to say "screw you" to every mid who now needs to adapt to a number of changes.

Not cool riot. Even if this is the right decision (arguable that it isn't) the timing on this sucks.

ChessburgerJan 16, 20151 votes

I'm specifically worried because AD assassins/casters are already way too strong because of the double scaling of abilites and autoattacks. And to top it off they have mobility which already invalidates immobile mages. These changes are putting the nail in the coffin.

jv21blU7oDJan 15, 20151 votes

Rylai was never known for being a particularly tanky hero nor fast.

lolz