No but seriously, why is noone discussing the inevitable issues with qiyana: She's just Irelia 3

Hammermancer··3 votes·1,899 views

I just posted something, they removed it and told me to go into memes and games, so no meme this time. This champion is exactly the type of champion I enjoy BUT frankly these champions that I like don't fit into the game due to lack of micro skill expression in duels across at least 75% of the roster. This means that a champion like vel'koz mastered does not have the options or utility of a champion like yasuo fully mastered. This means that two equally skilled players have an unequal playing field due to the disparity of skill cap on their respective champions...

So now that you guys have largely won the push to nerf Irelia, Akali, Riven, and others of their ilk, we see Qiyana on the verge of release. If anyone thinks that she's not going to be another dashy hyper skill based triforce rush styled bruiser instead of the 'assassin' riot claims she'll be, then they're wrong.

So now what? She's going to get released, Raged about, nerfed into obscurity, and then riot will release another champion that is low skill cap which will further cement the issue instead of getting this massive elephant out of the room (Side note: Why isn't there an elephant champion? Indian mythology is fucking cool as hell, and I mean that objectively)

so here's where I stand, riot games needs to continue reworks and increasing the skill ceiling of every champion across the board, the idea of 'the first guy to make a mistake loses' being not an expression of skill when you're the guy who didn't make a mistake during the fight is shallow and vindictive. The truth is, champions who don't fit in the niche of 'near infinite ceiling' are actually bad for the game, because they disallow full skill expression. This does not mean macro should be nerfed, it means micro should be buffed. Macro skill is always capped at the pilot's skill level, Micro should also be.

Qiyana will be released, all the displaced akali mains will jump on her, then she will get allcaps rageposted 6 times a day with thousands of upvotes, and she will be nerfed to shit. Riot will not address the issue of limiting expression being the primary grevience of most players whether they realize it or not... or should I say, the feeling of just getting stat checked.

Noone likes getting 1shot, noone likes any form of stat checking be it a tank, a fighter, or a mage. Because it is infinitely more satisfying to lose in a skill based duel then it is to win in a stat check.

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Elite4Runner1 votes

Qiyana's kit has no built in shield, resistances, healing, sustain, ect, in her abilities. It's pure damage and mobility.

Her base stats for armor and resistances are on par with marksmen and assassins.

The only way to get "tanky" is to prioritize this through runes and items, which sacrifices damage potential.

I am not disagreeing with you that this will happen, nor that it will be strong, but this is how she is intended to be "balanced"

Hammermancer1 votes

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Qiyana's kit has no built in shield, resistances, healing, sustain, ect, in her abilities. It's pure damage and mobility.

uh-huh, mobility and stealth are both defensive stats, sustain is something that you can build as an ad champ such as with conqueror and death's dance

Her base stats for armor and resistances are on par with marksmen and assassins.

But her utility is way highers since she has CC, and more cooldowns. She can afford to get a cleaver or triforce and go double defensive item in her kit and she'll get more in her defense then she'll lose in her offense

The only way to get "tanky" is to prioritize this through runes and items, which sacrifices damage potential.

which will happen

I am not disagreeing with you that this will happen, nor that it will be strong, but this is how she is intended to be "balanced"

yeah but... it's not, because the majority of the roster is lacking in ability to deal with these champions.

we don't really need new champs, we need an update to anything that hasn't been reworked since 2017

Elite4Runner1 votes

You're missing my point. She IS an assassin because maximizing her kit only allows her to be played as an assassin. When you start to build items and take runes that add utility to her kit, she moves away from the role of an assassin.

Hammermancer1 votes

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You're missing my point. She IS an assassin because maximizing her kit only allows her to be played as an assassin. When you start to build items and take runes that add utility to her kit, she moves away from the role of an assassin.

with 45% cdr her ability to grab bonus damage is on a 3.3 second cooldown before spear of shojin

that's of course without the triforce, her scaling on her autos at a 20% bonus ad increase as magic damage makes up for the loss in lethality, and her passive is also something like 80% bonus ad

she's got quite a lot going for her. with the way she pulls damage out of thin air I find that it wont make any sense to do anything but build bruiser on her. You wont be overkilling people with item 3078 item 3748 item 3161 item 3053 item 3026 but you'll be tanky af and will still likely 1shot every squishy while being a match for any non-squishy

Elite4Runner1 votes

That's a very expensive build, .. ANYONE would be strong with that build.

She isn't even live yet. Historically, most champions are overtuned on release. The PBE isn't designed to establish a balanced champion, it is designed to ensure that the champion functions as intended. Riot wants champions to be strong on release because players will be more inclined to buy and play them. That means Riot gets more money, ... and more data that they can use to determine the best way to retroactively balance the champion.

kaijukitten1 votes

I mean I'll be surprised if anyone can stand to play her with her awful voice and snobby banter, but you're probably right. :(

Hammermancer1 votes

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I mean I'll be surprised if anyone can stand to play her with her awful voice and snobby banter, but you're probably right. :(

she has boobs and she dashes.. there's a playerbase

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