am i the only one who hates playing vs fiora and irelia?

18 NAKED COWB0YS·Oct 5, 2016·7 votes·1,039 views

i would rather lane vs 2 kennens with doran blade in one lane than play vs these champs. i hate everything about their kit and how annoying they are to lane against. winning against them in lane is impossible if they main those champs and or are equally skilled.

maybe its just my playstyle but i cant seem to not hate fiora . i perma ban irelia because god fucking damn it do i hate that champion. fiora just goes 2 dorans blades and phage and 1 shots me while being tanky as fuck .

you cant stop her from procing vitals because moving against walls makes it easier for her to catch u without ur minions helping u or pushing her off.

50 Comments

dominusxOct 5, 20162 votes

Irelia yes. Fiora i dont care that much.

MimyOct 5, 20161 votes

"Better nerf irelia"

dominusxOct 5, 20161 votes

better remove that gay stun rest of her kit is fine

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

like atleast increase cd. irelia starts e wins every trade vs melees cuz haha get rewarded for getting out traded.

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

pretty sue if irelia started e and lvl 1 faught darius, she would still lose the trade, he has sustain and that passive is BS, so much free damage, and then she has to deal with all the bleed dmg on top, her true dmg and sustain is not that good level 1...

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

if darius starts dorans blade or shield he loses trade early due to e stunning him.

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

?? E stuns now? ithought that was her true damage/sustain, i thought she on a stun on a dash that stunned if they were higher health then her, ???

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

her w is the sustain/truedamage. e stuns enemy champ if he/she has more hp.

no offense but u cant talk abot how a champs balance if you dont even know her skills.

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

none taken, i know the skills obviously just had them switched around as i never play her, but i obviously knew what they do, why do i care what key she has to press to use them?

i dont play crap like irelia riven annie etc, i have a soul.

i could also easily break down who is the real godtier top laners right now by whos the best top laners right now by who counters who the best, and thats why fiora is godtier no matter what any list says, because of her W mostly.

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

u said she had a stun on a dash. her dash is q her w is sustain/true damage , her e stuns you for a while if you have more hp.

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

well basically she does, her dash is always up if she last hits with it, so i was correct.

she has a dash, and a slow/stun with healing true damage and healing ranged ult, add in a cc mastery and mercs and a stun doesnt even tickle her.

but shes boring af to play and goes trinity every single game zzz.

GayFluffyUnicornOct 5, 20161 votes

No if you have more % hp. That's a big difference.

Zykklon BOct 5, 20161 votes

I like playing vs Irelias, only time I play Singed on Lane, just abuse the low hp minions from your team ans she will take much dmg

Fiora doe bs passive

MimyOct 5, 20162 votes

Really depends on who you play.. I mean the OP main RIVEN... so of course their salt is combatted by the other salt..

Fiora problems? try Teemo

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

who does teemo lose against? thats like saying to beat fiora i have the play a 1v1 champ that p much wins lane with ignite 100 percent

MimyOct 5, 20161 votes

Oh yea I forgot the parry.... (And how Bullshit all top champions are now)

Yea I stopped maining toplane a LOOOONG time ago...

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

bless you. im stuck. i love and hate this lane. get to be in isolation in diamond 5 but the second i get on d3 acc i get 3 manned every second under turret as my jungler watches and jerks off.

MimyOct 5, 20161 votes

Yea thanks for reminding me.. because now I know which role to Exclude when the new picking system comes out..

Oddly enough Im getting back into Gnar.. but Im enjoying him as an ADC in bronze...

Yes I know it's stupid and it shouldn't work... but it's bronze and anything can work down here..

#IN NORMALS MIND YOU NOT RANKED!

Maybe Ill transition him into toplane later on but.. it's like.. ehhhh...

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

lol teemo is by no means a counter to fiora, she can W his Q blind, and even if shes god awful can just take summoner 1 and save it for when she ults Teemo , hes squishy and any decent fiora player will blow him up.

there are better fiora counters, Gangplank if ur skilled with kiting with his barrels, Pantheon Lissandra because she has slows and roots just to name a few, but the thing about fiora is with that W, i dont think she really has a true hard counter, you just are good enough to W and rekt them, or you are not.

trick to beating teemo is not giving him free harrass, you must poke the crap out of him with your Q, you must proc that passive for the heal, and know if your going to keep hitting him, or run away with the speed buff, its better b4 6 to keep hitting him, if not you will take to much kite dmg on the way out...you gotta go aggressive on teemo for FB early, no matter who you are playing.

MimyOct 5, 20162 votes

Yea the OP just reminded me of Fiora's BS parry...

But thank you for listing good counters to fiora.. <3

RalanrOct 5, 20161 votes

It's not like her parry is on a shorter cooldown than his blind.

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

not the point, any half way decent fiora player will maximize that use of that parry, get a kill, or do alot of dmg etc, just like any halfway decent teemo or riven etc would play very aggro vs a fiora that wastes her parry.

if you are not ready to in him u dont have to parry the blind, u can just in him 8 seconds later when the wave wont do 30% of ur health and parry his blind then.

RalanrOct 5, 20161 votes

Can't teemo just keep harassing you though?

RydułtowikOct 5, 20161 votes

Dont cry and get a jungler, play safe or pick tank/sustain champ

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

im not crying? sometimes my jungler doesnt want to help me. playing safe only means after 6 i get dived by fiora and her jungler who is most likely graves/nidalee/zac/elise who can dive easily.

please dont assume shit just because im stating which champs i dislike?

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

i like the new fiora alot, but her ult is anti tank, sure the numbers arent as high now 'until you have alot of ad' but even if she doesnt kill you after the ult, she will still heal up the trade 100%, and you either back, get help, or die shortly after alot of the times.

i dont think she needs anymore nerfs, she just has a godly kit, i mean that passive and W and amazing, and 200% free crit ontop with slows, she has no need for attackspeed just auto attack resets like hydra.

jaymc1130Oct 5, 20161 votes

Tell you what, you call me when you have the irelias and fioras and I'll play for you. When I get stuck versus stupid ass kennen I'll call you. Sound good?

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

hey atleast kennen has to land some aa's before he can all in you. atleast u can dodge his q between minion wave. irelia fiora just dick u through minions and can dive u p easy if they have ulti flash. sounds good?

jaymc1130Oct 5, 20161 votes

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hey atleast kennen has to land some aa's before he can all in you. atleast u can dodge his q between minion wave. irelia fiora just dick u through minions and can dive u p easy if they have ulti flash. sounds good?

Sounds fine by me. I don't give a shit how strong their all in is. Maokai Malphite But dealing with ranged cancer bs in top lane is hella annoying.

RalanrOct 5, 20161 votes

Fiora was a nightmare when she built tank. Now that she doesn't I'm not really dreading at the thought of fighting her.

Irelia just tilts me though. If I know I'm going to fight her, I try and pick Olaf.

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

olaf is designed to win 1v1s. along with irelia and fiora.

whats the point in picking any other champs?

RalanrOct 5, 20162 votes

Because it isn't a 1v1 game. You don't need to win lane every time.

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

i understand that but im saying just laning vs them is tilting.

RalanrOct 5, 20162 votes

So? The game isn't all about the laning phase. If you let that get to you then you're basically letting them win.

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

and i said i understood. its JUST annoying.

RalanrOct 5, 20162 votes

Life is filled with annoyances.

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

thanks for the tip?

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

Yasuo Zed Pantheon Gangplank Graves

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

yasuo is awful atm. zed sucks cock if you know how to bait his sht out. graves is broken. panth is braindead but can be ganked easily. gangplank doesnt win 1v1s LOL. once fiora gets any sort of cd or even phage she shits on gp.

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

panth can be ganked easily? he has the highest base movement speed in the game, 355, and a undodgeable stun???

he has probably the best lvl1-3 in the game right next to fiora/darius, but he counters fiora.

theres a reason Irelia and Darius are godtier toplaners right now, irelia has that passive E stun, dashes, easy farming +ranged sustain ult = doesnt get kited like darius, but she cant do nothing to him pre 6, and after lvl6 she wont beat him 1v1 unless way better, fiora is just a wildcard up there, imo god tier atm also, because she doesnt need to blow mana like irelia to deal true damage and get free sustain, and she also makes gangplanks oranges look like joke, you cant kite her like you can darius, she can parry darius dunk and win that trade everytime, and this doesnt even take into account a 200% crit.

but yeah pantheon is braindead easy to play in lane, he wins lane 99% of the time, but he always seems to fall off in teamfights alot of those games, hes def not an easy gank though, with the meditation mastery and bottle, he wont even go OOM now and can force anyone from gnar to fiora/gangplank out of lane.

Gnar is strong vs darius, but gets stomped by fiora so long as shes not braindead enough to fight him in mega.

i also dont agree with yasuo is awful, overloaded kit is overloaded, double crits passive shields built up to hard counter ignite/bleeds/gp passives etc in notime because of crazy ammounts of no cd dashes, unlimited knockups windwalls etc, hes been nerfed because he was released broken, does not make him weak though, hes pretty strong toplane atm.

oh, and gp does win alot of 1v1s, he might be easy to play but hes hard to master, i personally suck with him, but i have seen some amazing gp's that beat fiora/darius/etc with ease...all about barrel placement/mechanics and using them to get that passive off 3 times in a trade.

NightmareAmazoXOct 5, 20161 votes

Karma has the strongest ability at level 1

GayFluffyUnicornOct 5, 20162 votes

LoL. I challenge you to a duel. I definitely win most of my lane matchups 1v1 mind you so no jungler interaction from either side. Even the oh so hard counter darius isn't really a problem. Talking about GP here.

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

gangplank is the top of champion that just gets better as you get better with him, darius is not a gangplank counter, he can orange his bleed after trades, he can kite him pretty hard with barrels, those barrels crit, ignore 40% armor, do bonus damage to champions, and apply a slow.

lets all go take a look a gp winrate in master or higher, i bet hes constantly perma banned up there.

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

yup after the passive nerfs she cant afford to build tank or she wont do any damage, before she got to much free true damage, ratios and numbers down now she needs 300+ ad to get near 50% max health on that ult assuming you proc all 4.

hOrnnOct 5, 20161 votes

before the nerfs that destroyed fioras passive i banned her every game, now i play her.

tip, if you have a vital infront of you 'easy for her to proc' you can leave her vision and come back, and it will respawn either at the sides or behind you.

once you learn her Q range you can be okay vs her, but if you stay close and let her get those procs off, she will just in you with her E and if u have cc eat that W, if your tanky and push up after 6 shes probably going to kill you, i played tahm kench vs her once, after her nerfs, and she destroyed me in a few seconds after she hit 6.

18 NAKED COWB0YSOct 5, 20161 votes

... i hate you. i truly hate that champ man. her ulti and movement speed bonuses tilt me so hard. early game rng with vitals and if they land 2 times near her and she hits them im chunked . have to lose lik a wave to avoid the chunk and then she gets her jungler to gank and she wins off that.

CithriaCOct 5, 20161 votes

Not going to agree or disagree on those but the vitals will spawn on opposite sides, just leave her vision like going in the bush if it spawns on her side or set up an ambush with your jungler to because you know she will try and get the vital. GL