oh wow i get to play vs another jayce as melee top.
good thing i banned kennen and couldnt ban jayce as well.
lets do it up :)
good thing i banned kennen and couldnt ban jayce as well.
lets do it up :)
Question, isn't the inherent disadvantage of ranged top laners is that they fall off late game in terms of engage?
More specifically, if you played a bruiser or tank top, your damage would fall off late game, but you would still be useful because of your CC and damage soaking. Therefore you can force engages.
Most ranged top laners are squishy. Their damage may or may not fall off depending on how well they do, but if their damage falls off they will never be useful late unless they splitpush because they will be blown up before they can do much damage, and the team would have no engage. A forced engage with CC would destroy them.
I feel your pain. I play melees top as well. I have found that your chances of winning are much higher when you focus on farm with the intent of out-scaling/being useful in the mid/late game. If the ranged champs aren't fed then they don't have as much of an impact as they had hoped for.
jayce doesnt fall off. late game he melts you even faster and does more ranged poke.
thats whats really stupid right now. ranged tops are strong from early to late game without falling off at all.
kennen/jayce/quinn
all 3 of them punish u early and late game for playing a melee champ.
thats why im angry that riot doesnt want to do anything.
Guess this is a good time to buff
and lower the price eh?
guess its time to nerf kennen and jayce and hopefully some other cancerous ranged chamsp who have no downside to being picked.
Jayce is a very oppressive poke/siege fighter/marksman in lane. (That's a lot of /'s) From what I picked up, he becomes a "poke assassin" as mid-late game comes around, a statement I can vouch for. I've been playing some Jayce and I've noticed how his defenses fall off quite a bit as the game goes on, making him into more assassin and less fighter.
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jayce doesnt fall off. late game he melts you even faster and does more ranged poke.
thats whats really stupid right now. ranged tops are strong from early to late game without falling off at all.
kennen/jayce/quinn
all 3 of them punish u early and late game for playing a melee champ.
thats why im angry that riot doesnt want to do anything.
Also Kennen has bad engage amirite?
and his melee mode is just superior to regular melee champs
free mana. XD. lol. and also chunking 60% of your hp at level 5.
get poked everytime i go for minion. tp and come back with 2 dorans blade, get ganked instantly and he just shreds me to half hp with an e q and melee form q e. hard to counter xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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get poked everytime i go for minion. tp and come back with 2 dorans blade, get ganked instantly and he just shreds me to half hp with an e q and melee form q e. hard to counter xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Which champion were you playing and what did you rush as your first item.
riven and black cleaver. started e and was trying to salvage as many creeps as possible. he was ABUSING the living shit out of his ranged poke. minions just ate popcorn and watched. the second i touched him god forbid they fucking aggro on me and release 200 bolts of fucking energy on my melee ass.
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riven and black cleaver. started e and was trying to salvage as many creeps as possible. he was ABUSING the living shit out of his ranged poke. minions just ate popcorn and watched. the second i touched him god forbid they fucking aggro on me and release 200 bolts of fucking energy on my melee ass.
You have to cs under tower or ask for ganks. After lvl 6, Jayce can't approach Riven.
actually with the buffs jayce can legit murder anyone in a 1v1 lane if hes even. a good jayce will TEAR your asshole aprt. perfectly stopping your animations or going into bushes and such.
jayce is a pretty stupid champ right now.
following behind him is kennen.. oh wait, another ranged champion haha
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actually with the buffs jayce can legit murder anyone in a 1v1 lane if hes even. a good jayce will TEAR your asshole aprt. perfectly stopping your animations or going into bushes and such.
jayce is a pretty stupid champ right now.
following behind him is kennen.. oh wait, another ranged champion haha
Buffs? The reduced mana cost and bonus AD ratio on E? It's 40 % BONUS AD. I suggest you to look Riven's ratios and then talk. I would play anytime against a good Jayce, but playing vs decent Riven means that our whole team has to permaCC and focus her every time. Very funny.
I remember when Riven could EQ and do 60% of everyone's hp on the other team from half a map away. Then do it again like 8 seconds later.
Oh wait...
some people refuse to admit how toxic he is.
what because jayce is easier to focus? lol you're a joke for saying you want to lane vs jayce over riven. id kill to lane vs a riven. easy ass lane where i dont have to fucking claw my eyes out for a cs if im ACTUALLY better than her,
for jayce, its not a skill matchup, its a imbalanced one sided slaughter until the enemy laner gets help.
get real.
Confirmed, Jayce is the most cancerous lane I've ever played. Even more than Darius.
Ekko vs him is easy tbh.
tank ekko with fervor doesnt count. thats scum and pussy shit. im talking actual champions that ARENT broken fucking shits.
Yas is your second most played champ followed by Darius.. Why not play Ekko?
With fervor? I play him with grasp and Ap tank. Rush sunfire and then protobelt.
ekko is more or less a ranged champ. and a skilled jayce vs a skilled ekko, the jayce should still win lane
What's irritating is that no one complained about Jayce until Worlds
because he barely ever saw play before worlds, and now you see him every other freaking game
you give me cancer
in the past 22 days you havent played a single game in the top lane. you in fact have NO idea whats going on there. thanks.
thats not true. i played poppy xin zhao yi ad janna and a shit ton of mundo. it went well. ranged champs have a natural advantage over melees but melees if they know what they are doing can still carry and outperform the ranged enemy
Literally one month ago noone barely even played Jayce,cuz of worlds he's strong and is finally being played...wait what?
they buffed him and then everyone in worlds was playing him so now hes being spammed every game along with kennen.
I remember when everyone was talking shit about Tristana, to the point where picking her got people calling me a troll, but once CLG roflstomped PNG last season suddenly everyone started to play as her. I'm happy people want to play as Trist, don't get me wrong, but I hate how hypocritical and thoughtless this community is about stuff they haven't done.
Giving a poke champion a nuke and a knockback on a single ability seems like a recipe for success. God knows how Riot comes up with such great champ designs. Clearly the solution is to add plants to the jungle which fuck melees, because Riot's still on the same crack they were taking when they designed Jayce.
honestly. NO mercy for melees. NONE at all. just no respect for the other group of players. fuck them at every cost. ap mages are GODS righht now. living the best life. melees starving since the start of the season and nothing has been done. god fucking bless the bias towards ad melees.
My wondrous Karma can shield melee champions.
Kind regards from us
(Rift Karma is on the left, Howling Abyss Karma is on the right)
except you are on the other team -- slowing and stunning me while you shield your adc
still on the same crack
The San Andreas fault is a helluva drug
lol
Play more Teemo. Fight cancer with cancer.
i dont need to abuse ranged champs to win games. i can win on my own. i dont need riots stupidity to win games. i can prove to go against 50 obstacles and disadvantages and STILL come otu of it.
Clearly you're here complaining about it though
yea... im here to tell riot they need to nerf it.
I like how 8/10 of Jayce's worst matchups are melee.
name one that beats him in an equal lane pre laning phase ending.
a good jayce vs a good "xxxx"
no ganks
yasuo isnt included becasue he shits on everyone in a 1v1 wih exhaustt.
Jayce's ten worst matchups:
Melee ->

Ranged ->

Sauce: http://champion.gg/champion/Jayce/Top (go to bottom and click "See more" for "Champions that counter Jayce")
mundo.... sion..... j4...... chogathl..
those are all skill matchups.
quinn counters everyone. panth is a win lane champ. irelia is a win lane win game upon being picked champ.
poppy is prob a good one. depends on the early start of both champs.
42% winrate for jayce against J4
44% when against Sion
47% when against Cho or mundo.
Those aren't skill matchups man.
Panth wins the Game 55% of the time when against a Jayce, not just lane.
I'm just saying that it's not really Melee that has a hard time vs range poke, it's non-dive/Engage that has an issue with it. Look at who does well against him. Almost all divers or engage champs. It's just what happens. Poke wins when you don't have the ability to dive them or engage.
J4, panth, irelia -- the only melee's you listed who should have any real kill pressure on you if you play jayce decently. So if merely being able to farm without dying vs jayce (provided you are not camped by enemy jungle) is a "worst matchup" for jayce, then there is a problem.
I'd say them winning against jayce so consistently shows people are exaggerating a bit.
Notice i said "should". Obviously skill differences play a part. You watch the right games and teemo looks broken, malph solo kills darius 90% of the time, etc.
This really sucks if you have to blind pick top. If you don't have to blindpick, get a melee with good waveclear and defensive stats that can still build a damage item or two. Jayce waveclear is crap until he has items, so you push him in hard -- not giving him a chance to constantly harass you. Just beware not to stand at his tower while he clears the wave(s) you shoved or you invite jungle ganks.
it's funny because before worlds came around there were no complaints about jayce at all on these forums. suddenly he's played in LCS and it's fotmsuperopopbrokenbanplsnerfpls everywhere.
this patch and any before it, after tiny ass buff or not, anytime i'd see a jayce first pick id play j4 or pantheon into him (my two top mains), sometimes teemo, malphite... pretty much any tank, and completely fucking destroy him. olaf and sion are said to be great counters too.
yes he's a lane bully with a strong laning phase. but he has weaknesses and counters. you're plat 1, and you don't know this by now? stop your crying, and learn to play the game.